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herding cats

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93. To address late your edit.
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 04:49 AM
Jul 2018

I'm sorry, I missed it for a long time.

See this reply to you by me after our exchange here. It covers this part, but I'll expound below.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2114158

I can't understand the head in the sand strategy I keep reading. To me, it's like everyone is so busy fighting amongst themselves they can't think clearly anymore.

Maybe I should be more clear here myself. I'm not fighting with anyone. We just need to be on our toes and smarter in 2018 and beyond. We need to think bigger and broader and be better citizens. We need to accept that we could be vulnerable to interference, too. We are, but I'm not not saying Devine is compromised, because we don't know yet. However, he is a weak link per this evidence he was still involved on some level with Manafort after previous claims he saw Ukraine being influenced by Russia and had removed himself after his 2010 work ended. His surrogates who spread this information weren't being honest. That's something to pay attention to now.

We do know Putin did try to exploit Bernie's campaign to weaken Hillary. That was reported back in February of this year (I think?) in the previous round of indictments. We need to be smart now. Then we need to recognize Putin's dealings and stop it before it destroys us all.

Most of all, we need to make sure no one with ties to Russia sinks their hooks in any of our candidates. I believe that will be a final death rattle of a Democratic political career now.

tldr version: we need to not be stupid and hire people like Tad Devine who have ties to helping Putin, and we shouldn't waste our time defending people like him. That's Devine's job and he actually knows the debth, and details. We don't. Oh, and we need to stop being tribal to the point we're dancing around and making excuses for Putin's interferences in our democracy.

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Rut-Roh! n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2018 #1
Very Interesting louis c Jul 2018 #2
It's sad but can't say I didn't feel uncomfortable.... FarPoint Jul 2018 #61
rawstory is not a news source nt msongs Jul 2018 #3
Oh i think i get it Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #22
Usually it's an aggregator but sometimes it publishes its own stories, pnwmom Jul 2018 #42
Screaming 'fake news" doesn't make this go away, Donald Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2018 #74
There is this GemDigger Jul 2018 #77
Was Jill stein also in this loop? kimbutgar Jul 2018 #4
Putin used everyone to attack his enemy...HILLARY! BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #43
100% Skid Rogue Jul 2018 #122
Other people were influenced by the polls and assumed Hillary would win BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #124
according to a report on vote suppression WhiteTara Jul 2018 #130
I'm a Democrat. What's bernie? Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #5
+1000 Pachamama Jul 2018 #109
Just tired of being responsible for him all the time. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #118
Why leave out Al Gore and John Kerry? dogman Jul 2018 #6
Probably because of this. herding cats Jul 2018 #7
And he worked on their campaigns also. dogman Jul 2018 #9
that was before he joined manafort JI7 Jul 2018 #14
So what? dogman Jul 2018 #17
its not a conspiracy theory that he worked with manafort JI7 Jul 2018 #19
No, and that is nothing new. dogman Jul 2018 #21
The new information is that he worked with Manafort and Kilimnik through 2014 Maven Jul 2018 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Jul 2018 #102
But the insinuation that he did anything wrong, anywhere, ever RandomAccess Jul 2018 #78
If Bernie were a Democrat... SergeStorms Jul 2018 #90
I was talking about Devine RandomAccess Jul 2018 #91
You were talking about "Bernie hatred".... SergeStorms Jul 2018 #92
Yes, but not Bernie himself -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #95
Right -- Bernie's obviously guilty by association here. Do we even know what Devine is guilty of? KPN Jul 2018 #104
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #106
But "the emails"! Why does that sound so familiar? KPN Jul 2018 #114
That broadbursh is simply not true. There are many bernie supporters who are Wwcd Jul 2018 #119
Who is making this into a conspiracy theory? All I see are facts that have been presented. George II Jul 2018 #25
You're choosing to ignore all the innuendo? RandomAccess Jul 2018 #79
Best thing to do is pretend any accurate news story is simply hatred and bias. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #94
Are you not a little bothered that he worked for Yanukovich? Adrahil Jul 2018 #121
They predate his involvement with Russia and Manafort. herding cats Jul 2018 #15
Yes, but if Tad is bad, how does that involve Bernie? dogman Jul 2018 #20
Tad Devine is named by Mueller. herding cats Jul 2018 #24
By Mueller. dogman Jul 2018 #28
This is a DU post, not a twitter thread. herding cats Jul 2018 #30
Right. dogman Jul 2018 #33
To address late your edit. herding cats Jul 2018 #93
Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #36
Lol. Nary a peep from that side, but Woo Boy would the other side be howling! Wwcd Jul 2018 #38
That's just it, he would never have even been asked "another candidate", so "nary a peep".... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #48
Would Clinton have hired him? dawg day Jul 2018 #126
No she wouldn't. He would've been vetted, and his associations would have prevented him from EVER.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #127
Exactly. A lot to do about nothing. It all KPN Jul 2018 #115
That's inconvenient for the Bernie haters. rainin Jul 2018 #56
That was years earlier. George II Jul 2018 #13
What is the time frame for conspiracy theory? dogman Jul 2018 #23
Conspiracy theory? How has this suddenly become a conspiracy theory? George II Jul 2018 #27
Read the thread. dogman Jul 2018 #29
Of course they do. herding cats Jul 2018 #32
Not discussing it intelligently. dogman Jul 2018 #35
Bernie is going to be mentioned because his Chief Strategist was mentioned by Mueller herding cats Jul 2018 #37
Buckle up. This is going to get very bumpy for the Sanders campaign. We already know that Russia.. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #54
Yes, a great conspiracy theory. dogman Jul 2018 #57
Because Devine lied about when he quit working with Manafort? If it was 2010, why was he still... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #59
And Gore lost an election he won, and Kerry lost an election he should have won. dogman Jul 2018 #62
2000 & 2004. We're talking about 2014. Please try & keep up. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #67
I think the invoice was from June while RandomAccess Jul 2018 #80
Bernie is involved because Devine was in touch with Kilminick, the intelligence officer, pnwmom Jul 2018 #45
So what exactly is your theory? dogman Jul 2018 #60
My theory is that Manafort's trial will start next week and we'll know more. pnwmom Jul 2018 #63
Agreed. dogman Jul 2018 #66
He was involved with them in 2000 and 2004, prior to getting mixed up pnwmom Jul 2018 #70
Just a buzzword to try Cha Jul 2018 #52
Because 2000 and 2004 were both BEFORE 2006, the first time pnwmom Jul 2018 #44
That doesn't serve the purpose of rehashing the 2016 campaign. n/t QC Jul 2018 #98
They're not too relevant here- did they work w Manafort too? bettyellen Jul 2018 #101
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Jul 2018 #8
Not just "in contact", they worked together for years, and communicated most recently in 2014. George II Jul 2018 #10
Washington Post story that was the source for this RawStory post csziggy Jul 2018 #11
I'm trying not to say I told you so. Anon-C Jul 2018 #12
Political operatives (or analysts/pundits/whatever) are probably the slimiest critters erronis Jul 2018 #16
I have been waiting for the books telling the story about this campaign! yallerdawg Jul 2018 #18
Uh oh RandySF Jul 2018 #26
This is why folks should be cautious about supporting Alexandria underthematrix Jul 2018 #34
What's to be cautious about? theaocp Jul 2018 #71
I was just given my third notice for bigotry and insensitivity underthematrix Jul 2018 #73
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #39
I'm cool with the idea that Bernie The_jackalope Jul 2018 #40
Grief. Et tu? Duppers Jul 2018 #47
Guilty by association? left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #41
Thank you!! Duppers Jul 2018 #49
Not analogous. Devine worked for Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004, BEFORE pnwmom Jul 2018 #50
Sounds like Tad may have "evolved" after so many losses. He clearly lied about his association.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #55
Did he? WHere? RandomAccess Jul 2018 #81
Apparently he got paid in 2014, when he was already talking to Sanders. Scary. bettyellen Jul 2018 #103
I was asking about where he lied -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #105
Apparently he said they hadn't worked together since 2010- yet four years later, he cashed checks bettyellen Jul 2018 #108
Thanks RandomAccess Jul 2018 #117
There appears to be a bit of overlap for Devine w Manafort and the Russian and his bettyellen Jul 2018 #120
Does this mean that,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #46
A useful... comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #129
Put some of that dunder towards November. If there's anything to it Mueller's got it ... marble falls Jul 2018 #51
As a Sanders supporter in the primary..... Boomer Jul 2018 #53
You're ruining the moment. There are people who want us all to draw one conclusion... rainin Jul 2018 #58
Jill Stein IS a Putin troll. she is spewing the Clinton uranium one bs JI7 Jul 2018 #84
Yes, she is. I don't think Bernie is. Sorry I was unclear. rainin Jul 2018 #86
I trust Bernie on this. His campaign was very genuine and he's honorable mvd Jul 2018 #96
That's basically how I feel, too. nt pnwmom Jul 2018 #64
The voice of reason LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #68
I think the issue is, was his chief political strategist aware of it? George II Jul 2018 #69
That's it in a nutshell. herding cats Jul 2018 #76
We also have to accept that threads like this -- RandomAccess Jul 2018 #82
Putin wins either way Boomer Jul 2018 #87
Bernie has cast some curious votes re: Russia, and totally out of synch with his Dem colleagues.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #85
So I looked up this statement Boomer Jul 2018 #99
And it's been going on here for a long time no less. Magnitsky Act, Magnitsky Act, KPN Jul 2018 #111
Cool cover story if you believe his reasons for not voting with Democrats on two Russia bills. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2018 #125
I wouldn't be surprised rockfordfile Jul 2018 #97
Russia's goal is to divide Democrats. tiredtoo Jul 2018 #65
Oh, it doesn't really matter DavidDvorkin Jul 2018 #72
I really don't think it affected the campaign mvd Jul 2018 #75
He is the only Senator to vote against both the Magnitsky Act and Russia Sanctions. George II Jul 2018 #83
Not weighing in on the main issue of this thread cause it is just shit slinging GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #88
I disagree all around - except the trouble these threads cause mvd Jul 2018 #89
More disinformation against Sanders? Boomer Jul 2018 #100
Despite being repeatedly corrected on this, AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #133
Wow..Devine worked on both Gore and Kerry's campaign and then with Manafort Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #107
That he is a whore? Pachamama Jul 2018 #110
I think you're right Pachamama Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #112
Much to do about absolutely nothing. Did anyone here actually look at the evidence list KPN Jul 2018 #113
Tad & his company is STILL working for bernie. btw. Wwcd Jul 2018 #116
Never cared much for sanders... Maxheader Jul 2018 #123
Somebody should have told Bernie that nobody was allowed to run against Hillary Power 2 the People Jul 2018 #128
Excellent advice. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #131
Interesting. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #132
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