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114. The irony is that the people on DU outraged about this ban as somehow oppressive

Thu Aug 2, 2018, 08:32 PM

Aug 2018

Are in essence defending an expression of a culture that treats women as little more than property.

Lots of young girls are not opposed to FGM since it is a part of their culture and to be accepted by their family and society it is expected of them. But no one on DU would defend that practice. And I get it. Mutilation is a whole order worse than the burka. But both are symptomatic of a culture that treats women as property. Same with forced marrage. Or polygamy to bring Mormans into the discussion. There are lots of cultural and religious practices that have no place in an enlightened society.

There are Christian bakers who don’t want to make wedding cakes for gay couples. That should be illegal as welll to bring Christianity into the discussion.

And I guess when in school I totally missed the part about the Muslim Race. I was always taught it was one of the 3 major monotheistic religions. Hell, there are Afghans as light skinned as me.

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Denmark's Burqa Ban Has Gone Into Effect [View all] appalachiablue Aug 2018 OP

so all the men who are forced to wear them will have to take them off? nt msongs Aug 2018 #1

Police woman and burka woman hugs under the demonstration TomVilmer Aug 2018 #10

That is what tolerance looks like. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #176

Protests over new Burqa Ban in Denmark: appalachiablue Aug 2018 #2

Like men, they can wear hats, turbans and scarves. Like men, they can't cover their faces, pnwmom Aug 2018 #3

Let bare their faces like the rest of the women demosincebirth Aug 2018 #5

Unlike men, they can't wear certain garments dictated by religious law or custom. Orsino Aug 2018 #19

The burqa is cultural. It is not required by any religion. Squinch Aug 2018 #26

Unless someone feels that it is. Then it is. n/t Orsino Aug 2018 #51

And what if I go a step further? What if I FEEL - and this is actually Squinch Aug 2018 #77

Perfect analogy. Merlot Aug 2018 #82

What Squinch said. Nay Aug 2018 #101

See, you're still talking about the burqa as something forced onto women. Orsino Aug 2018 #121

What if a woman truly believes her religion says her husband should Squinch Aug 2018 #122

There are already laws to deal with violence, domestic or otherwise. Orsino Aug 2018 #124

That's a non-sequitur. Squinch Aug 2018 #125

Hardly. Orsino Aug 2018 #358

Unlike most who opine about this, I actually know women who are forced to wear a burka. I Squinch Aug 2018 #359

So you do not want burka wearers punished? Orsino Aug 2018 #361

That would be an assault treestar Aug 2018 #307

The Danish law is a "no face coverings for anyone" law. Squinch Aug 2018 #316

This law is punishing the wearer, not any oppressors TomVilmer Aug 2018 #4

Thanks for your post and video lunasun Aug 2018 #61

This is sad. Doreen Aug 2018 #6

That hasn't happened in France or other countries that have done this. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #7

The actual number in Danmark is less than 200 women... TomVilmer Aug 2018 #8

Good, I want it out of sight. Merlot Aug 2018 #86

They could always move to a country christx30 Aug 2018 #132

We are not free to make any law we want treestar Aug 2018 #306

How would that happen? treestar Aug 2018 #310

Good for Denmark. Push back on these repressives and their attempts to normalize it. 7962 Aug 2018 #9

Agree 100% - Made up by men, not religion Merlot Aug 2018 #13

+1 rollin74 Aug 2018 #79

Agree. It isn't a choice. bitterross Aug 2018 #315

+1 SunSeeker Aug 2018 #23

+1 frogmarch Aug 2018 #35

I agree. These religions that make women 2nd class citizens make me vomit. WhoWoodaKnew Aug 2018 #115

+1 RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #229

Theyd turn the country into a theocracy w sharia law if they could. mr_liberal Aug 2018 #11

I have mixed feelings, but sure would like to see the burqa gone forever. Chemisse Aug 2018 #12

Seeing a woman in a burqa walking behind a man SharonClark Aug 2018 #14

Especially a man comfortably dressed marybourg Aug 2018 #15

Oh my god... skypilot Aug 2018 #18

Saw exactly that in Sydney several years ago. A woman in a burka pushing a stroller with a Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 #21

My objection is neither about religion, nor racism. The state should not outlaw styles of dress. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #16

It prevents people from being ID'd in public. I think the state has a valid interest. pnwmom Aug 2018 #17

That arg falsely links Islam w crime. when ski masks are illegal, ur argument may make some sense. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #20

It is illegal to walk around in public wearing a ski mask in Denmark, per this law. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #22

Imho that is extremely silly. What is the cutoff temperature? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #27

No, it is not silly at all. People only wear ski masks when skiing or when it's freezing. nt. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #30

It's silly (or perhaps just uncivil) to demand people keep visible faces. Paranoia is not policy. Nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #31

It is not silly nor paranoid to require people show their faces when in public. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #34

Yes it is. You do not owe your face to others. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #36

Yes you do. Hiding your face is a security risk. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #37

Many things are a security risk. This calculation is being made in part bc the affected population FreepFryer Aug 2018 #58

The affected population could be ANYONE. In the NW, we had a couple women walking around pnwmom Aug 2018 #78

It could be - but in this case it is those who wear the burqa who are affected. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #80

Why do you think they take drivers license photos? To identify the driver. pnwmom Aug 2018 #83

What is the "harm" of requiring people to show their face in public? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #94

Precisely jberryhill Aug 2018 #62

The word "everyone" u use so casually in your post betrays the lack of depth of thinking. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #68

Since when does it matter if people of color are "imperiled"? jberryhill Aug 2018 #70

You must be joking. Did you read this piece? A POC misidentified as a criminal is in peril. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #71

It's not too surprising when a machine set on 80% is wrong 20%+ of the time. EX500rider Aug 2018 #105

Male legislators should not be mandating what women can & can't wear. Taliban & Danes do that. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #325

Face coverings aren't clothes. They're masks. This law applies to both sexes. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #346

Law also prevents LGBTQ from hiding faces when going into LGBTQ events. THAT'S oppressive too. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #326

LGBTQ people should be protected, instead of having to hide their faces. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #345

Given that European countries have more sophisticated surveillance... jberryhill Aug 2018 #52

The existence of surveillance tech does not mean the people an obligation to submit to surveillance. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #53

Read what SunSeeker said jberryhill Aug 2018 #55

Many things are a security risk, priorities of rights curtailed are based in cultural perceptions. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #59

Too fucking bad leftynyc Aug 2018 #140

If they are skiing or it is freezing treestar Aug 2018 #312

Interesting point treestar Aug 2018 #311

No, it doesn't link Islam to crime. It says ANYONE is as likely as anyone else pnwmom Aug 2018 #75

sunglasses? Wide rimmed hats? Surgical masks? Eye patches? Where does it end? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #76

None of those things completely obscure the face except for the eyes, like a ski mask pnwmom Aug 2018 #85

Really? You write face recognition software? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #333

I see mouths and noses. pnwmom Aug 2018 #335

White woman fashion A-OKAY but muslim woman can't make their own choices? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #334

How is that comparable to this? pnwmom Aug 2018 #336

All those things are a voluntary choice. Merlot Aug 2018 #89

Until the woman herself rejects the burqa, your assumption of her opinions is sexist. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #92

Is it sexist to recognize that many women are oppressed by men? n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #324

Not at all, that's a tragic reality around the world. Limiting their choices isnt how to redress it FreepFryer Aug 2018 #329

I'm not saying we should ban their clothing. Just ALL face masks, whether it's a man or a woman pnwmom Aug 2018 #330

Appreciate your thoughtfulness, FreepFryer Aug 2018 #331

Of course not. But is sexist for male legislators to oppress women's choices. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #338

This is not reducing women's choices AS WOMEN. It is saying that all PEOPLE pnwmom Aug 2018 #344

Wait a minute metalbot Aug 2018 #106

You are assuming wrong. There is an extremely low incidence of voter fraud, even in states pnwmom Aug 2018 #107

I'm confused metalbot Aug 2018 #108

No. I'm saying that no one can be identified when they're wearing a face mask. pnwmom Aug 2018 #109

Obviously a police officer can identify a woman, as can the state metalbot Aug 2018 #110

I suspect you are a male. You have never had the experience, as a woman, pnwmom Aug 2018 #111

People can be ID'ed if needed. Otherwise go whole hog and embed a radio transmitter chip in arm. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #323

How? Rip a burqa off a woman who's hit me and refuses to show herself? Or a man under a ski mask? pnwmom Aug 2018 #327

No, duh. Same way as in US. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #328

Of course you didn't take a photo of the driver. You could SEE s/he matched the driver's license. pnwmom Aug 2018 #348

It doesn't matter. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #349

Yeah, it does matter. If someone has hit me, it matters who that person was. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #350

The license is who that person is. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #351

Wrong. Licenses get stolen and/or used without permission. You can't know pnwmom Aug 2018 #353

Snore. Let the police handle stolen licenses. Don't try it yourself. Gosh. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #354

I have to laugh at all the MEN defending women's "right" to wear those oppressive garments, pnwmom Aug 2018 #355

Of course it is not required. We know that. Duh. :eyes: . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #356

The mask ban here in Georgia resulted from domestic terror. Orsino Aug 2018 #57

Hopefully the oppressed are willing to continue to pay for the delay with their lives and freedom. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #72

If "a cultural subgroup's practice" is cruel and inhumain it should be ruled against Merlot Aug 2018 #84

I agree. Doreen Aug 2018 #102

Been there; done that HeiressofBickworth Aug 2018 #308

Hooray! I hope similar bans are enacted across the western world. Coventina Aug 2018 #24

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #38

Like totally unfair...Xenophobic , Reminds me of the rabid antiabortion freaks in americu.. Maxheader Aug 2018 #25

Tough leftynyc Aug 2018 #141

+1 Coventina Aug 2018 #144

Hey Coventina leftynyc Aug 2018 #145

I know. Thoroughly disgusting. Coventina Aug 2018 #146

They can call me a racist all day long leftynyc Aug 2018 #147

Agree 100% Coventina Aug 2018 #148

the fact they do not tell the difference between a niqab and burja is ignorance DonCoquixote Aug 2018 #28

Unless the immigrant is from KSA, this is a repressive JCMach1 Aug 2018 #29

A nijab that does not cover the face is not banned. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #32

+1. Americans know that racism as foundation of policy is bad. Refusing to cop to it is worse. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #33

It has nothing to do with race. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #39

So some say. But the claim strains credulity. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #40

It bans face coverings regardless of race. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #42

You seem personally invested in negating disagreeing opinions on this. But you can't. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #43

I am not "negating opinions," I am correcting your mistatement of facts. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #44

You are not the people of Denmark. That's not your place. You are one individual. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #45

So now you're telling me what "my place" is? You see no irony here? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #47

You are one person, and your job is not to naysay everyone else here with opinion claimed as facts. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #49

I am not "naysaying everyone else here." SunSeeker Aug 2018 #95

Your posts declare the intent and effect of the policy as having nothing to do with race. Opinion. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #96

Nope, the law does not mention religion or race. Fact. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #104

A law need not acknowledge it is racist in order to be racist. I'm surprised you tried this argument FreepFryer Aug 2018 #113

What is racist about not allowing face coverings in public? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #117

Potentially, many things. Perhaps you should stop talking and start thinking. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #119

You can't answer because it's not. Nor are bans on female genital mutilation. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #127

Your error? "misogynistic, backwards, debilitating cultural practices" is opinion, not fact (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #128

You really think burqas and FGM are not misogynistic, backwards, debilitating cultural practices? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #129

I try not to make absolutist value judgments about other cultural practices than mine. It's racist. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #130

Defending FGM on DU!! - who would have thought this day would come? n/t Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #134

Yep, I think that might be a new low. Coventina Aug 2018 #137

How is it racist? Are we not allowed to stop backwards practices that debilitate women? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #136

Foot binding! It's a beautiful, cultural tradition! How dare we criticize it! Coventina Aug 2018 #138

You are no liberal leftynyc Aug 2018 #142

You're thoroughly incorrect. And you are also entitled to your opinion, as am I. Cheers! FreepFryer Aug 2018 #149

Hahahahaha! That's hilarious! Yes, the west forces women to wear bikinis. Coventina Aug 2018 #152

LOL, the bad logic in your post is what is laughable. Are all women wearing burqa forced? NO. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #154

If they want to live in the west, then they should adopt western dress. Coventina Aug 2018 #156

So you are in favor of forced assimilation? But see no problem conflating FGM and the burqa? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #157

Nope. If it was a cultural issue, then all Muslim men would continue to wear the thawb. Coventina Aug 2018 #159

Yup. But your use of the word "all" in that comment is pure stupidity and racist absolutism. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #162

No, it's merely holding the men to the same standard as the women. Coventina Aug 2018 #164

No, it's holding another culture to your personal (not even your culture's) standards. Xenophobia. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #165

No, if they want to wear the burqa in the land in which it developed, fine. Coventina Aug 2018 #168

No, emigration doesn't work that way, unless it is to a totalitarian state. Freedom of expression FreepFryer Aug 2018 #169

No, there is no such thing as being able to express yourself however you want. Coventina Aug 2018 #172

Wearing a burqa is a form of expression. It is, and should be, tolerated in many societies. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #174

It's cute that you think I would care about what you call me. Coventina Aug 2018 #177

It's super cute that you think you can demand an entire society of people abandon their practices FreepFryer Aug 2018 #179

"Entire society of people"? No, just that Muslim women enjoy the same rights as their men. Coventina Aug 2018 #181

Feminists listen to women and ask them their values. White saviors speak for them without listening FreepFryer Aug 2018 #183

Again with the assumptions. Coventina Aug 2018 #185

i don't believe you. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #186

That's your choice, of course. Coventina Aug 2018 #188

It sure seems to matter to you, as you have been attacking my opinions as if they threaten you. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #190

Haha! Threatened by you? Coventina Aug 2018 #192

Real feminism requires real work. The burqa is not shorthand for male oppression, and outlawing it FreepFryer Aug 2018 #194

Again, assumptions piled on assumptions. Coventina Aug 2018 #197

No assumptions, just your racist words. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #198

No Muslim has ever come to me asking me to protect the burqa. Coventina Aug 2018 #201

Okay, it's been fun but you aren't being honest so I'm done feeding you. See post 200. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #203

Right back atcha, pal. Coventina Aug 2018 #206

Ah, assumptions. If you only knew how dumb that was to say. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #207

Oh dear, and here I thought you were done with me! Coventina Aug 2018 #209

Lol. Last word much? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #210

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Coventina Aug 2018 #212

LOL! Your shift is probably coming to an end by now. Have a great day! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #214

My shift? I'm not a shift worker. Coventina Aug 2018 #218

The idea of you spending a precious vacation day arguing racist trash is what's really funny. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #220

You're amusing, what can I say? Coventina Aug 2018 #222

Islam is a religion, not a race. EX500rider Aug 2018 #225

I am proudly culturally biased against misogynistic cultures. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #332

"I try not to make absolutist value judgments about other cultural practices than mine. It's racist" EX500rider Aug 2018 #224

Dishonestly omitting "absolute" when quoting me and equating human sacrifice to burqa... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #232

I quoted you quite correctly. EX500rider Aug 2018 #235

Your post is Dishonest. U omitted the word absolutist from my quote, and that's dishonest. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #237

Maybe you need glasses? EX500rider Aug 2018 #239

No, paraphrasing me u said NO judgment can be made, a dishonest contradiction of my point. (Nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #240

Well I for sure can be absolutest in my condemnation of certain cultural practices.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #241

Awesome! Enjoy (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #242

There are things that are just wrong christx30 Aug 2018 #347

And your opinion is not a fact. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #46

No, but the assertion that a nijab would be banned is an incorrect statement of fact. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #48

I didn't say a nijab would be. And laws are based on many factors... this one clearly reflects race. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #50

You agreed with a post of pictures of black women wearing hair covering... SunSeeker Aug 2018 #97

That's your opinion, and I never made no such assertion that such coverings would be banned. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #99

No, you typed "+1" which means you agree with everything in the post. A fact. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #103

I can agree with the post without agreeing with your interpretation of the post. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #112

Do you understand this law does not ban hair coverings as pictured in that post you agree with? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #118

Do you understand how to let others have opinions with which you disagree? Like, wearing burqas? nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #131

So you don't want to answer? Why are you deflecting with insults? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #135

I'm not defl3cting. Why are you attacking those with whom you disagree? Difference of opinion FreepFryer Aug 2018 #150

I see all you have is insults. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #202

Then you aren't looking. See post 200. Ciao! (N/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #204

See my reponse. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #227

Racism bad. Sexism ok? Merlot Aug 2018 #90

Sexism super bad. If women do not voluntarily abandon the hijab, assuming they want to is sexist. nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #91

Niqab covers the face samir.g Aug 2018 #64

Today they ban niqab, tomorrow they ban hijab samir.g Aug 2018 #66

Can you show me where... Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #73

"crickets"... Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #120

Off course *crickets* Because they got nothin' Coventina Aug 2018 #139

No the distinction is clear. What is banned are ski masks and other coverings pnwmom Aug 2018 #88

Lots of religions have tenets/rules that need attacking GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #98

There's been a law on the books in NYC leftynyc Aug 2018 #143

Wrong. Both of them fully obscure the face, except for the eyes. The only difference pnwmom Aug 2018 #87

a niqab is a face covering Mosby Aug 2018 #93

Victory for secularism over religious opression, brave move by Denmark n/t Devil Child Aug 2018 #41

Also a victory for automated facial recognition surveillance jberryhill Aug 2018 #54

And people of color r vastly misrecognized by this tech (predominantly written/trained by non POCs) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #60

Too bad jberryhill Aug 2018 #63

DUers and straight up racist bullshitter trolls. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #65

Well, yes jberryhill Aug 2018 #67

Yes indeed. And Americans are indeed paying attention. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #69

My support for this "burqa ban" does not equal support for facial recognition surveillance Devil Child Aug 2018 #74

Support for Jill Stein does not equal support for Trump either jberryhill Aug 2018 #100

Excellent post. Thanks for the thoughtful comments. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #116

"When in Rome..." saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #56

good for Denmark rollin74 Aug 2018 #81

The irony is that the people on DU outraged about this ban as somehow oppressive GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #114

+1 Freedom and tolerance give no right to tolerate oppression of others Snellius Aug 2018 #123

Ferengi are similar oppressive. woman are nude,not allowed in public or to own businesses. Sunlei Aug 2018 #126

Good -- it should be illegal here, too obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #133

let her decide. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #151

I'll take false equivalency for $500, Alex. Coventina Aug 2018 #153

Sorry, that category has been done to death by those of you declaring this a one sided issue. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #155

It is one-sided. Against the women. Coventina Aug 2018 #158

Some Muslim women adopt western dress in the West, and not all women who wear burqa are forced. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #160

If they want to wear the burqa, they should go to a country where that is the norm. Coventina Aug 2018 #161

That is a fundamentally racist statement. That isn't your decision to make. It's theirs. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #163

*BZZT* Culture is not race. Coventina Aug 2018 #166

A culture is neither rejected, nor adopted, wholesale. That is a foolish notion. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #167

The individual is one of the cornerstones of Western culture. Coventina Aug 2018 #170

Then why are you interfering with those individuals' right to choose their own mode of dress? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #171

"I" am not doing anything, other than applauding the Danes. Coventina Aug 2018 #173

Your spam posts here do exactly that. A burqa does not erase identity if a woman chooses it. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #175

Hilarious! Because I stand up for women I'm spamming? Coventina Aug 2018 #178

That is the entire purpose of a burqa? Says you... a non-Arab, non-Muslim? Did you study Islam? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #180

Yes, as a matter of fact I have studied Islam. I have Muslim students who tell me Coventina Aug 2018 #182

Any educated educator would never freely use the absolutist language you do. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #184

Again, projection. Coventina Aug 2018 #187

Not projection. You used absolutist lterms inappropriate to the realities of cultural interaction. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #189

Cultural interaction is what I teach. I am well aware of what is oppressive and what is not. Coventina Aug 2018 #191

Nor is demanding all immigrants to a society assimilate in full, as u did above. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #193

I never said any such thing. I said the BURQA was not appropriate. Coventina Aug 2018 #195

Don't be dishonest. U said "If they want to live in the west, then they should adopt western dress" FreepFryer Aug 2018 #196

The Muslim men seem to be able to do it with no problem. Coventina Aug 2018 #199

All women should be free to dress as they please and to wear clothing that expresses their identity FreepFryer Aug 2018 #200

Tolerating intolerance is not liberal. Coventina Aug 2018 #205

The it's you on one side of this argument, and me and Amnesty International on the other. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #208

That's fine. Like I said, I care not what you think of me. Coventina Aug 2018 #211

I value the opinions of the world's human rights authorities over anecdotes deployed to racist ends FreepFryer Aug 2018 #213

If being anti-burqa is YOUR definition of racist, then there are a LOT of "racists" here on DU. Coventina Aug 2018 #215

And, thankfully, those racists are still the minority. The OP is clear... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #217

Then, the burqa, by definition, cannot be worn by women. Coventina Aug 2018 #219

Says you. And since you are not a woman who wears one, it's not your call to make for them. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #221

And, as I've said before, I had nothing to do with this decision, I merely applaud it. Coventina Aug 2018 #223

This does not criminalize clothing, it criminalizes covering your face. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #226

Sunseeker, meet Coventina. You seem to disagree with each other about the legality of the burqa. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #234

No, women's equality is more important to me than the burqa. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #245

Me too. But I wouldn't presume to ban it outright, I would let Muslim women decide for themselves. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #246

No, that's not equality, that is letting misogyny rule. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #248

Letting women decide for themselves is misogyny? You can't be serious with this trash. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #249

These practices do anything but let women decide for themselves. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #254

You are not the one to decide if another person has an identity or not based on their clothing. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #256

EVERY person has an identity. Even women. I did not decide that. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #259

You are not the one to decide if a person's identity is obliterated by their choice of covering. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #260

The very purpose of a burqa is to erase a woman's identity in public. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #261

A non Muslim can assuredly tell Muslim women the purpose of the burqa? Nonsense. nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #280

You can't hide from reality. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #283

And you can't deny reality. nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #284

I never do. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #286

Except when you post opinion and call it fact, as all over this post. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #288

Wow. You really can't let this go. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #291

Wow, if you can resist responding, you may be right. Otherwise it's on u! FreepFryer Aug 2018 #292

You keep saying racist. But we are not talking race here GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #337

Thank god you arrived to tell everyone what we were and weren't already talking about! nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #339

Your very welcome GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #341

The OP says it all... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #216

A burqa obliterates a woman's identity. It constrains women's freedom. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #228

Amnesty International disagrees with you. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #231

Danish culture does not allow the valuing of women as second class. FULL STOP RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #230

Amnesty International disagrees with you. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #233

Then Amnesty Int'l needs to get a clue about the public erasure of women's identities RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #236

Awesome! Let us know how your effort to educate the worlds foremost human rights org goes. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #238

Even Amnesty Intl gets some things wrong, assuming this person speaks for them. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #243

LOL. No way you could be wrong. It must be Amnesty International that is in error. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #244

"LOL"? I don't find subjugation of women all that amusing. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #247

I find hilarious your inability to let a differing opinion stand without trying to negate it. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #250

You're projecting. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #251

Not in the slightest. Have a great day! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #252

You have a great day too. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #255

Thanks! See ya. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #257

You will. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #263

Wow, issues much? :) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #265

You keep saying goodbye, but you keep posting. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #266

You're projecting. Funny :) (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #267

You just keep making my point. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #269

And you keep making mine. I'm not the one shouting you down. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #275

Nope. No one is shouting you down. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #277

Not in the least. Your opinions are not facts. Let others have their opinions. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #282

If you think my statements of fact are opinions, why are you so bothered by them? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #285

I'm not bullying you. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #287

Islam is the new darling of many on the Left.' MicaelS Aug 2018 #253

Islamophobia is not going to take hold on the Left as it has on the right... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #258

If burqa bans are Islamophobic, why did Morrocco, which is 99% Muslim, ban them? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #262

That's a great article, that shows Muslims deciding their own policy, for themselves. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #264

So no one can govern Muslims? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #268

Says who? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #270

You. You suggested that only a Muslim government should issue a burqa ban. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #271

I did not. How many Muslims are in the Danish Parliament? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #272

Why is that relevant, unless you believe only Muslims should issue burqa bans? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #273

It matters if you value a diverse society of tolerance. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #274

You are the one who suggested a Muslim was not a Dane, not me. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #276

No, I said Morocco is not Denmark. Slow down and take a breath... you're slipping. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #278

No, I quoted you. You're the one slipping. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #279

Now you're just lying. I think you have been Trumped . (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #281

No, I'm quoting you in this thread. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #289

The Danes, whose parliament is WHAT % Muslim? You haven't answered. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #290

You're the one who suggests only Muslims should rule Muslims. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #293

LIE. I said no such thing. You are seriously slipping now. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #294

So why are you fine with the Morocco burqa ban, but not the Denmark burqa ban? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #295

Because Morocco's decision was made by people with cultural familiarity w the burqa. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #296

And I'm still waiting. What % of Danish Parliament is Muslim? (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #297

So only Muslims can have "familiarity" with a Muslim custom? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #298

Anyone who had that familiarity wouldn't make the ignorant claims u have made. Still waiting. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #299

Google it yourself. I'm not your research slave. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #300

LIE. I never said that and repeating it won't make it so. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #301

If that's a lie, why are you fine with the Morocco burqa ban, but not Denmark's? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #302

It's gratifying that you must resort to lies to continue your filibuster. Thanks for the laffs! FreepFryer Aug 2018 #303

Trump claims when people quote him they are lying. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #309

Not being a referendum, the Danish Parliament are the Danes of which I spoke. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #313

Again, what % of the Danish Parliament are Muslim? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #314

I did not ignore anything. You're fine with the Morocco burqa ban, but not the Danish one. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #317

trumpists hate civics, and they despise context. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #318

Again, you suggest that unless the legislator is Muslim, they shouldn't vote to ban burquas. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #319

Not what I said. Your posts seem willfully immune to understanding. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #320

Right back atcha. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #321

Now you've gone completely down the worm hole! GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #343

Not only that, but doing so is "racist" somehow. Coventina Aug 2018 #304

Lock 'em up jberryhill Aug 2018 #322

Islamophobia is alive and well,even in the "tolerant" West. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #305

The good news is 340 posts and only 8 recs shows in how little regard DUers hold racist policies. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #340

8 is 8 too many in my opinion. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #357

"All women should be free to dress as they please" But what if I want to wear a Burqa? McCamy Taylor Aug 2018 #342

If you want to wear a burqa christx30 Aug 2018 #352

How many here know women who wear a burka? NickB79 Aug 2018 #360