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342. "All women should be free to dress as they please" But what if I want to wear a Burqa?

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Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:47 PM

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Denmark's Burqa Ban Has Gone Into Effect [View all] appalachiablue Aug 2018 OP

so all the men who are forced to wear them will have to take them off? nt msongs Aug 2018 #1

Police woman and burka woman hugs under the demonstration TomVilmer Aug 2018 #10

That is what tolerance looks like. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #176

Protests over new Burqa Ban in Denmark: appalachiablue Aug 2018 #2

Like men, they can wear hats, turbans and scarves. Like men, they can't cover their faces, pnwmom Aug 2018 #3

Let bare their faces like the rest of the women demosincebirth Aug 2018 #5

Unlike men, they can't wear certain garments dictated by religious law or custom. Orsino Aug 2018 #19

The burqa is cultural. It is not required by any religion. Squinch Aug 2018 #26

Unless someone feels that it is. Then it is. n/t Orsino Aug 2018 #51

And what if I go a step further? What if I FEEL - and this is actually Squinch Aug 2018 #77

Perfect analogy. Merlot Aug 2018 #82

What Squinch said. Nay Aug 2018 #101

See, you're still talking about the burqa as something forced onto women. Orsino Aug 2018 #121

What if a woman truly believes her religion says her husband should Squinch Aug 2018 #122

There are already laws to deal with violence, domestic or otherwise. Orsino Aug 2018 #124

That's a non-sequitur. Squinch Aug 2018 #125

Hardly. Orsino Aug 2018 #358

Unlike most who opine about this, I actually know women who are forced to wear a burka. I Squinch Aug 2018 #359

So you do not want burka wearers punished? Orsino Aug 2018 #361

That would be an assault treestar Aug 2018 #307

The Danish law is a "no face coverings for anyone" law. Squinch Aug 2018 #316

This law is punishing the wearer, not any oppressors TomVilmer Aug 2018 #4

Thanks for your post and video lunasun Aug 2018 #61

This is sad. Doreen Aug 2018 #6

That hasn't happened in France or other countries that have done this. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #7

The actual number in Danmark is less than 200 women... TomVilmer Aug 2018 #8

Good, I want it out of sight. Merlot Aug 2018 #86

They could always move to a country christx30 Aug 2018 #132

We are not free to make any law we want treestar Aug 2018 #306

How would that happen? treestar Aug 2018 #310

Good for Denmark. Push back on these repressives and their attempts to normalize it. 7962 Aug 2018 #9

Agree 100% - Made up by men, not religion Merlot Aug 2018 #13

+1 rollin74 Aug 2018 #79

Agree. It isn't a choice. bitterross Aug 2018 #315

+1 SunSeeker Aug 2018 #23

+1 frogmarch Aug 2018 #35

I agree. These religions that make women 2nd class citizens make me vomit. WhoWoodaKnew Aug 2018 #115

+1 RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #229

Theyd turn the country into a theocracy w sharia law if they could. mr_liberal Aug 2018 #11

I have mixed feelings, but sure would like to see the burqa gone forever. Chemisse Aug 2018 #12

Seeing a woman in a burqa walking behind a man SharonClark Aug 2018 #14

Especially a man comfortably dressed marybourg Aug 2018 #15

Oh my god... skypilot Aug 2018 #18

Saw exactly that in Sydney several years ago. A woman in a burka pushing a stroller with a Floyd R. Turbo Aug 2018 #21

My objection is neither about religion, nor racism. The state should not outlaw styles of dress. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #16

It prevents people from being ID'd in public. I think the state has a valid interest. pnwmom Aug 2018 #17

That arg falsely links Islam w crime. when ski masks are illegal, ur argument may make some sense. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #20

It is illegal to walk around in public wearing a ski mask in Denmark, per this law. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #22

Imho that is extremely silly. What is the cutoff temperature? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #27

No, it is not silly at all. People only wear ski masks when skiing or when it's freezing. nt. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #30

It's silly (or perhaps just uncivil) to demand people keep visible faces. Paranoia is not policy. Nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #31

It is not silly nor paranoid to require people show their faces when in public. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #34

Yes it is. You do not owe your face to others. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #36

Yes you do. Hiding your face is a security risk. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #37

Many things are a security risk. This calculation is being made in part bc the affected population FreepFryer Aug 2018 #58

The affected population could be ANYONE. In the NW, we had a couple women walking around pnwmom Aug 2018 #78

It could be - but in this case it is those who wear the burqa who are affected. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #80

Why do you think they take drivers license photos? To identify the driver. pnwmom Aug 2018 #83

What is the "harm" of requiring people to show their face in public? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #94

Precisely jberryhill Aug 2018 #62

The word "everyone" u use so casually in your post betrays the lack of depth of thinking. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #68

Since when does it matter if people of color are "imperiled"? jberryhill Aug 2018 #70

You must be joking. Did you read this piece? A POC misidentified as a criminal is in peril. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #71

It's not too surprising when a machine set on 80% is wrong 20%+ of the time. EX500rider Aug 2018 #105

Male legislators should not be mandating what women can & can't wear. Taliban & Danes do that. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #325

Face coverings aren't clothes. They're masks. This law applies to both sexes. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #346

Law also prevents LGBTQ from hiding faces when going into LGBTQ events. THAT'S oppressive too. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #326

LGBTQ people should be protected, instead of having to hide their faces. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #345

Given that European countries have more sophisticated surveillance... jberryhill Aug 2018 #52

The existence of surveillance tech does not mean the people an obligation to submit to surveillance. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #53

Read what SunSeeker said jberryhill Aug 2018 #55

Many things are a security risk, priorities of rights curtailed are based in cultural perceptions. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #59

Too fucking bad leftynyc Aug 2018 #140

If they are skiing or it is freezing treestar Aug 2018 #312

Interesting point treestar Aug 2018 #311

No, it doesn't link Islam to crime. It says ANYONE is as likely as anyone else pnwmom Aug 2018 #75

sunglasses? Wide rimmed hats? Surgical masks? Eye patches? Where does it end? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #76

None of those things completely obscure the face except for the eyes, like a ski mask pnwmom Aug 2018 #85

Really? You write face recognition software? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #333

I see mouths and noses. pnwmom Aug 2018 #335

White woman fashion A-OKAY but muslim woman can't make their own choices? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #334

How is that comparable to this? pnwmom Aug 2018 #336

All those things are a voluntary choice. Merlot Aug 2018 #89

Until the woman herself rejects the burqa, your assumption of her opinions is sexist. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #92

Is it sexist to recognize that many women are oppressed by men? n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #324

Not at all, that's a tragic reality around the world. Limiting their choices isnt how to redress it FreepFryer Aug 2018 #329

I'm not saying we should ban their clothing. Just ALL face masks, whether it's a man or a woman pnwmom Aug 2018 #330

Appreciate your thoughtfulness, FreepFryer Aug 2018 #331

Of course not. But is sexist for male legislators to oppress women's choices. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #338

This is not reducing women's choices AS WOMEN. It is saying that all PEOPLE pnwmom Aug 2018 #344

Wait a minute metalbot Aug 2018 #106

You are assuming wrong. There is an extremely low incidence of voter fraud, even in states pnwmom Aug 2018 #107

I'm confused metalbot Aug 2018 #108

No. I'm saying that no one can be identified when they're wearing a face mask. pnwmom Aug 2018 #109

Obviously a police officer can identify a woman, as can the state metalbot Aug 2018 #110

I suspect you are a male. You have never had the experience, as a woman, pnwmom Aug 2018 #111

People can be ID'ed if needed. Otherwise go whole hog and embed a radio transmitter chip in arm. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #323

How? Rip a burqa off a woman who's hit me and refuses to show herself? Or a man under a ski mask? pnwmom Aug 2018 #327

No, duh. Same way as in US. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #328

Of course you didn't take a photo of the driver. You could SEE s/he matched the driver's license. pnwmom Aug 2018 #348

It doesn't matter. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #349

Yeah, it does matter. If someone has hit me, it matters who that person was. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #350

The license is who that person is. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #351

Wrong. Licenses get stolen and/or used without permission. You can't know pnwmom Aug 2018 #353

Snore. Let the police handle stolen licenses. Don't try it yourself. Gosh. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #354

I have to laugh at all the MEN defending women's "right" to wear those oppressive garments, pnwmom Aug 2018 #355

Of course it is not required. We know that. Duh. :eyes: . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #356

The mask ban here in Georgia resulted from domestic terror. Orsino Aug 2018 #57

Hopefully the oppressed are willing to continue to pay for the delay with their lives and freedom. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #72

If "a cultural subgroup's practice" is cruel and inhumain it should be ruled against Merlot Aug 2018 #84

I agree. Doreen Aug 2018 #102

Been there; done that HeiressofBickworth Aug 2018 #308

Hooray! I hope similar bans are enacted across the western world. Coventina Aug 2018 #24

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #38

Like totally unfair...Xenophobic , Reminds me of the rabid antiabortion freaks in americu.. Maxheader Aug 2018 #25

Tough leftynyc Aug 2018 #141

+1 Coventina Aug 2018 #144

Hey Coventina leftynyc Aug 2018 #145

I know. Thoroughly disgusting. Coventina Aug 2018 #146

They can call me a racist all day long leftynyc Aug 2018 #147

Agree 100% Coventina Aug 2018 #148

the fact they do not tell the difference between a niqab and burja is ignorance DonCoquixote Aug 2018 #28

Unless the immigrant is from KSA, this is a repressive JCMach1 Aug 2018 #29

A nijab that does not cover the face is not banned. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #32

+1. Americans know that racism as foundation of policy is bad. Refusing to cop to it is worse. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #33

It has nothing to do with race. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #39

So some say. But the claim strains credulity. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #40

It bans face coverings regardless of race. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #42

You seem personally invested in negating disagreeing opinions on this. But you can't. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #43

I am not "negating opinions," I am correcting your mistatement of facts. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #44

You are not the people of Denmark. That's not your place. You are one individual. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #45

So now you're telling me what "my place" is? You see no irony here? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #47

You are one person, and your job is not to naysay everyone else here with opinion claimed as facts. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #49

I am not "naysaying everyone else here." SunSeeker Aug 2018 #95

Your posts declare the intent and effect of the policy as having nothing to do with race. Opinion. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #96

Nope, the law does not mention religion or race. Fact. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #104

A law need not acknowledge it is racist in order to be racist. I'm surprised you tried this argument FreepFryer Aug 2018 #113

What is racist about not allowing face coverings in public? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #117

Potentially, many things. Perhaps you should stop talking and start thinking. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #119

You can't answer because it's not. Nor are bans on female genital mutilation. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #127

Your error? "misogynistic, backwards, debilitating cultural practices" is opinion, not fact (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #128

You really think burqas and FGM are not misogynistic, backwards, debilitating cultural practices? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #129

I try not to make absolutist value judgments about other cultural practices than mine. It's racist. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #130

Defending FGM on DU!! - who would have thought this day would come? n/t Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #134

Yep, I think that might be a new low. Coventina Aug 2018 #137

How is it racist? Are we not allowed to stop backwards practices that debilitate women? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #136

Foot binding! It's a beautiful, cultural tradition! How dare we criticize it! Coventina Aug 2018 #138

You are no liberal leftynyc Aug 2018 #142

You're thoroughly incorrect. And you are also entitled to your opinion, as am I. Cheers! FreepFryer Aug 2018 #149

Hahahahaha! That's hilarious! Yes, the west forces women to wear bikinis. Coventina Aug 2018 #152

LOL, the bad logic in your post is what is laughable. Are all women wearing burqa forced? NO. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #154

If they want to live in the west, then they should adopt western dress. Coventina Aug 2018 #156

So you are in favor of forced assimilation? But see no problem conflating FGM and the burqa? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #157

Nope. If it was a cultural issue, then all Muslim men would continue to wear the thawb. Coventina Aug 2018 #159

Yup. But your use of the word "all" in that comment is pure stupidity and racist absolutism. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #162

No, it's merely holding the men to the same standard as the women. Coventina Aug 2018 #164

No, it's holding another culture to your personal (not even your culture's) standards. Xenophobia. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #165

No, if they want to wear the burqa in the land in which it developed, fine. Coventina Aug 2018 #168

No, emigration doesn't work that way, unless it is to a totalitarian state. Freedom of expression FreepFryer Aug 2018 #169

No, there is no such thing as being able to express yourself however you want. Coventina Aug 2018 #172

Wearing a burqa is a form of expression. It is, and should be, tolerated in many societies. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #174

It's cute that you think I would care about what you call me. Coventina Aug 2018 #177

It's super cute that you think you can demand an entire society of people abandon their practices FreepFryer Aug 2018 #179

"Entire society of people"? No, just that Muslim women enjoy the same rights as their men. Coventina Aug 2018 #181

Feminists listen to women and ask them their values. White saviors speak for them without listening FreepFryer Aug 2018 #183

Again with the assumptions. Coventina Aug 2018 #185

i don't believe you. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #186

That's your choice, of course. Coventina Aug 2018 #188

It sure seems to matter to you, as you have been attacking my opinions as if they threaten you. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #190

Haha! Threatened by you? Coventina Aug 2018 #192

Real feminism requires real work. The burqa is not shorthand for male oppression, and outlawing it FreepFryer Aug 2018 #194

Again, assumptions piled on assumptions. Coventina Aug 2018 #197

No assumptions, just your racist words. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #198

No Muslim has ever come to me asking me to protect the burqa. Coventina Aug 2018 #201

Okay, it's been fun but you aren't being honest so I'm done feeding you. See post 200. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #203

Right back atcha, pal. Coventina Aug 2018 #206

Ah, assumptions. If you only knew how dumb that was to say. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #207

Oh dear, and here I thought you were done with me! Coventina Aug 2018 #209

Lol. Last word much? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #210

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Coventina Aug 2018 #212

LOL! Your shift is probably coming to an end by now. Have a great day! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #214

My shift? I'm not a shift worker. Coventina Aug 2018 #218

The idea of you spending a precious vacation day arguing racist trash is what's really funny. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #220

You're amusing, what can I say? Coventina Aug 2018 #222

Islam is a religion, not a race. EX500rider Aug 2018 #225

I am proudly culturally biased against misogynistic cultures. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #332

"I try not to make absolutist value judgments about other cultural practices than mine. It's racist" EX500rider Aug 2018 #224

Dishonestly omitting "absolute" when quoting me and equating human sacrifice to burqa... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #232

I quoted you quite correctly. EX500rider Aug 2018 #235

Your post is Dishonest. U omitted the word absolutist from my quote, and that's dishonest. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #237

Maybe you need glasses? EX500rider Aug 2018 #239

No, paraphrasing me u said NO judgment can be made, a dishonest contradiction of my point. (Nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #240

Well I for sure can be absolutest in my condemnation of certain cultural practices.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #241

Awesome! Enjoy (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #242

There are things that are just wrong christx30 Aug 2018 #347

And your opinion is not a fact. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #46

No, but the assertion that a nijab would be banned is an incorrect statement of fact. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #48

I didn't say a nijab would be. And laws are based on many factors... this one clearly reflects race. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #50

You agreed with a post of pictures of black women wearing hair covering... SunSeeker Aug 2018 #97

That's your opinion, and I never made no such assertion that such coverings would be banned. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #99

No, you typed "+1" which means you agree with everything in the post. A fact. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #103

I can agree with the post without agreeing with your interpretation of the post. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #112

Do you understand this law does not ban hair coverings as pictured in that post you agree with? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #118

Do you understand how to let others have opinions with which you disagree? Like, wearing burqas? nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #131

So you don't want to answer? Why are you deflecting with insults? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #135

I'm not defl3cting. Why are you attacking those with whom you disagree? Difference of opinion FreepFryer Aug 2018 #150

I see all you have is insults. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #202

Then you aren't looking. See post 200. Ciao! (N/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #204

See my reponse. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #227

Racism bad. Sexism ok? Merlot Aug 2018 #90

Sexism super bad. If women do not voluntarily abandon the hijab, assuming they want to is sexist. nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #91

Niqab covers the face samir.g Aug 2018 #64

Today they ban niqab, tomorrow they ban hijab samir.g Aug 2018 #66

Can you show me where... Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #73

"crickets"... Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #120

Off course *crickets* Because they got nothin' Coventina Aug 2018 #139

No the distinction is clear. What is banned are ski masks and other coverings pnwmom Aug 2018 #88

Lots of religions have tenets/rules that need attacking GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #98

There's been a law on the books in NYC leftynyc Aug 2018 #143

Wrong. Both of them fully obscure the face, except for the eyes. The only difference pnwmom Aug 2018 #87

a niqab is a face covering Mosby Aug 2018 #93

Victory for secularism over religious opression, brave move by Denmark n/t Devil Child Aug 2018 #41

Also a victory for automated facial recognition surveillance jberryhill Aug 2018 #54

And people of color r vastly misrecognized by this tech (predominantly written/trained by non POCs) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #60

Too bad jberryhill Aug 2018 #63

DUers and straight up racist bullshitter trolls. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #65

Well, yes jberryhill Aug 2018 #67

Yes indeed. And Americans are indeed paying attention. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #69

My support for this "burqa ban" does not equal support for facial recognition surveillance Devil Child Aug 2018 #74

Support for Jill Stein does not equal support for Trump either jberryhill Aug 2018 #100

Excellent post. Thanks for the thoughtful comments. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #116

"When in Rome..." saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #56

good for Denmark rollin74 Aug 2018 #81

The irony is that the people on DU outraged about this ban as somehow oppressive GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #114

+1 Freedom and tolerance give no right to tolerate oppression of others Snellius Aug 2018 #123

Ferengi are similar oppressive. woman are nude,not allowed in public or to own businesses. Sunlei Aug 2018 #126

Good -- it should be illegal here, too obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #133

let her decide. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #151

I'll take false equivalency for $500, Alex. Coventina Aug 2018 #153

Sorry, that category has been done to death by those of you declaring this a one sided issue. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #155

It is one-sided. Against the women. Coventina Aug 2018 #158

Some Muslim women adopt western dress in the West, and not all women who wear burqa are forced. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #160

If they want to wear the burqa, they should go to a country where that is the norm. Coventina Aug 2018 #161

That is a fundamentally racist statement. That isn't your decision to make. It's theirs. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #163

*BZZT* Culture is not race. Coventina Aug 2018 #166

A culture is neither rejected, nor adopted, wholesale. That is a foolish notion. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #167

The individual is one of the cornerstones of Western culture. Coventina Aug 2018 #170

Then why are you interfering with those individuals' right to choose their own mode of dress? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #171

"I" am not doing anything, other than applauding the Danes. Coventina Aug 2018 #173

Your spam posts here do exactly that. A burqa does not erase identity if a woman chooses it. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #175

Hilarious! Because I stand up for women I'm spamming? Coventina Aug 2018 #178

That is the entire purpose of a burqa? Says you... a non-Arab, non-Muslim? Did you study Islam? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #180

Yes, as a matter of fact I have studied Islam. I have Muslim students who tell me Coventina Aug 2018 #182

Any educated educator would never freely use the absolutist language you do. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #184

Again, projection. Coventina Aug 2018 #187

Not projection. You used absolutist lterms inappropriate to the realities of cultural interaction. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #189

Cultural interaction is what I teach. I am well aware of what is oppressive and what is not. Coventina Aug 2018 #191

Nor is demanding all immigrants to a society assimilate in full, as u did above. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #193

I never said any such thing. I said the BURQA was not appropriate. Coventina Aug 2018 #195

Don't be dishonest. U said "If they want to live in the west, then they should adopt western dress" FreepFryer Aug 2018 #196

The Muslim men seem to be able to do it with no problem. Coventina Aug 2018 #199

All women should be free to dress as they please and to wear clothing that expresses their identity FreepFryer Aug 2018 #200

Tolerating intolerance is not liberal. Coventina Aug 2018 #205

The it's you on one side of this argument, and me and Amnesty International on the other. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #208

That's fine. Like I said, I care not what you think of me. Coventina Aug 2018 #211

I value the opinions of the world's human rights authorities over anecdotes deployed to racist ends FreepFryer Aug 2018 #213

If being anti-burqa is YOUR definition of racist, then there are a LOT of "racists" here on DU. Coventina Aug 2018 #215

And, thankfully, those racists are still the minority. The OP is clear... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #217

Then, the burqa, by definition, cannot be worn by women. Coventina Aug 2018 #219

Says you. And since you are not a woman who wears one, it's not your call to make for them. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #221

And, as I've said before, I had nothing to do with this decision, I merely applaud it. Coventina Aug 2018 #223

This does not criminalize clothing, it criminalizes covering your face. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #226

Sunseeker, meet Coventina. You seem to disagree with each other about the legality of the burqa. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #234

No, women's equality is more important to me than the burqa. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #245

Me too. But I wouldn't presume to ban it outright, I would let Muslim women decide for themselves. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #246

No, that's not equality, that is letting misogyny rule. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #248

Letting women decide for themselves is misogyny? You can't be serious with this trash. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #249

These practices do anything but let women decide for themselves. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #254

You are not the one to decide if another person has an identity or not based on their clothing. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #256

EVERY person has an identity. Even women. I did not decide that. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #259

You are not the one to decide if a person's identity is obliterated by their choice of covering. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #260

The very purpose of a burqa is to erase a woman's identity in public. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #261

A non Muslim can assuredly tell Muslim women the purpose of the burqa? Nonsense. nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #280

You can't hide from reality. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #283

And you can't deny reality. nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #284

I never do. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #286

Except when you post opinion and call it fact, as all over this post. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #288

Wow. You really can't let this go. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #291

Wow, if you can resist responding, you may be right. Otherwise it's on u! FreepFryer Aug 2018 #292

You keep saying racist. But we are not talking race here GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #337

Thank god you arrived to tell everyone what we were and weren't already talking about! nt FreepFryer Aug 2018 #339

Your very welcome GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #341

The OP says it all... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #216

A burqa obliterates a woman's identity. It constrains women's freedom. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #228

Amnesty International disagrees with you. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #231

Danish culture does not allow the valuing of women as second class. FULL STOP RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #230

Amnesty International disagrees with you. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #233

Then Amnesty Int'l needs to get a clue about the public erasure of women's identities RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #236

Awesome! Let us know how your effort to educate the worlds foremost human rights org goes. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #238

Even Amnesty Intl gets some things wrong, assuming this person speaks for them. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #243

LOL. No way you could be wrong. It must be Amnesty International that is in error. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #244

"LOL"? I don't find subjugation of women all that amusing. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #247

I find hilarious your inability to let a differing opinion stand without trying to negate it. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #250

You're projecting. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #251

Not in the slightest. Have a great day! (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #252

You have a great day too. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #255

Thanks! See ya. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #257

You will. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #263

Wow, issues much? :) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #265

You keep saying goodbye, but you keep posting. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #266

You're projecting. Funny :) (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #267

You just keep making my point. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #269

And you keep making mine. I'm not the one shouting you down. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #275

Nope. No one is shouting you down. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #277

Not in the least. Your opinions are not facts. Let others have their opinions. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #282

If you think my statements of fact are opinions, why are you so bothered by them? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #285

I'm not bullying you. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #287

Islam is the new darling of many on the Left.' MicaelS Aug 2018 #253

Islamophobia is not going to take hold on the Left as it has on the right... FreepFryer Aug 2018 #258

If burqa bans are Islamophobic, why did Morrocco, which is 99% Muslim, ban them? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #262

That's a great article, that shows Muslims deciding their own policy, for themselves. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #264

So no one can govern Muslims? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #268

Says who? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #270

You. You suggested that only a Muslim government should issue a burqa ban. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #271

I did not. How many Muslims are in the Danish Parliament? FreepFryer Aug 2018 #272

Why is that relevant, unless you believe only Muslims should issue burqa bans? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #273

It matters if you value a diverse society of tolerance. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #274

You are the one who suggested a Muslim was not a Dane, not me. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #276

No, I said Morocco is not Denmark. Slow down and take a breath... you're slipping. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #278

No, I quoted you. You're the one slipping. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #279

Now you're just lying. I think you have been Trumped . (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #281

No, I'm quoting you in this thread. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #289

The Danes, whose parliament is WHAT % Muslim? You haven't answered. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #290

You're the one who suggests only Muslims should rule Muslims. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #293

LIE. I said no such thing. You are seriously slipping now. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #294

So why are you fine with the Morocco burqa ban, but not the Denmark burqa ban? nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #295

Because Morocco's decision was made by people with cultural familiarity w the burqa. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #296

And I'm still waiting. What % of Danish Parliament is Muslim? (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #297

So only Muslims can have "familiarity" with a Muslim custom? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #298

Anyone who had that familiarity wouldn't make the ignorant claims u have made. Still waiting. (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #299

Google it yourself. I'm not your research slave. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #300

LIE. I never said that and repeating it won't make it so. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #301

If that's a lie, why are you fine with the Morocco burqa ban, but not Denmark's? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #302

It's gratifying that you must resort to lies to continue your filibuster. Thanks for the laffs! FreepFryer Aug 2018 #303

Trump claims when people quote him they are lying. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #309

Not being a referendum, the Danish Parliament are the Danes of which I spoke. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #313

Again, what % of the Danish Parliament are Muslim? (n/t) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #314

I did not ignore anything. You're fine with the Morocco burqa ban, but not the Danish one. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #317

trumpists hate civics, and they despise context. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #318

Again, you suggest that unless the legislator is Muslim, they shouldn't vote to ban burquas. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #319

Not what I said. Your posts seem willfully immune to understanding. (nt) FreepFryer Aug 2018 #320

Right back atcha. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #321

Now you've gone completely down the worm hole! GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #343

Not only that, but doing so is "racist" somehow. Coventina Aug 2018 #304

Lock 'em up jberryhill Aug 2018 #322

Islamophobia is alive and well,even in the "tolerant" West. eom guillaumeb Aug 2018 #305

The good news is 340 posts and only 8 recs shows in how little regard DUers hold racist policies. FreepFryer Aug 2018 #340

8 is 8 too many in my opinion. guillaumeb Aug 2018 #357

"All women should be free to dress as they please" But what if I want to wear a Burqa? McCamy Taylor Aug 2018 #342

If you want to wear a burqa christx30 Aug 2018 #352

How many here know women who wear a burka? NickB79 Aug 2018 #360