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mikeyboi217

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81. History Repeats
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 08:56 PM
Aug 2018

Found on the internet.

When you look back on the history of Germany or Italy or any country that descended into fascism, what do you actually think were the warning signs?

You can see the warning sign when a leader wants to close down a free press, and that’s already happened to a large extent in places like Turkey and Hungary. Opposition newspapers have been closed. The same thing happens in Putin’s Russia. And Mr. Trump has declared his hostility toward the press, but he doesn’t have the means to do it. He’s not able to close down the Washington Post or the New York Times as the Nazis closed down newspapers. You can see it in irresponsible and aggressive nationalist belligerence in foreign policy. Again, Hitler did not believe in international institutions. He got Germany out of the League of Nations. He regarded international treaties as pieces of paper that would be torn up when he wanted to. And again, you can see in Mr. Trump a certain amount of contempt for international institutions and the belief that America should leave them.And then finally, I think, contempt for the truth. Goebbels was completely cynical about the truth. He said, All we need to do is to say the things that suit us. We don’t have to bother about whether they’re true or not. And if you bang away hard enough in propaganda and you repeat a lie, then people will start believing it. I shudder to think what Dr. Goebbels would have done with the internet. And I think that’s one of the most dangerous things we’ve seen from Mr. Trump.

So what’s scary now is that even though Trump is not Hitler, or whoever else is not Hitler, we do have to reckon with the fact that our democracies are in trouble because these guys all have more legitimate popular support than someone like Hitler did?

One of the problems, perhaps the fundamental problem of democracy today, is that the mass of the electorate, millions of people in the electorate, are disillusioned. Hitler only ever achieved 37.4 percent of the vote in a free election, but Erdogan, Orbán, and the Polish government, for example, have been elected by majorities of the electorate who approve of their policies. I know Trump lost the popular vote, but he was elected when it was clear that he was no friend of democracy. So that’s the situation we have to deal with. And that is: In some ways, democracy is dying bit by bit.

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Good grief. Glimmer of Hope Aug 2018 #1
Good god vercetti2021 Aug 2018 #2
I agree totally. There is no place in a democracy for this kind of behavior. Left-over Aug 2018 #62
The stupidity of Dotard Deplorables has to actually HURT, no? AZ8theist Aug 2018 #74
I'm amazed at how easily propaganda works... dhill926 Aug 2018 #3
This absolutely nuts...... a kennedy Aug 2018 #4
Spoken like the third world applause monkeys they are. sandensea Aug 2018 #5
Republicans are the enemy. n/t SpankMe Aug 2018 #6
+1 dalton99a Aug 2018 #8
Most people think this is just Trump lancelyons Aug 2018 #7
Thank you!! That is what I was thinking. There is a big problem on the right StevieM Aug 2018 #10
Exactly. Dump just saw all these losers and exploited them, which is his one "talent" flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #51
Remember when tRump said robbob Aug 2018 #60
To a certain extent, education is indeed an issue. But there were a lot of educated college students dameatball Aug 2018 #64
How stupid can they possibly be .... CatMor Aug 2018 #9
So that 43% would approve a democrat shutting down Fox news? keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #11
Or the National Enquirer? nt SWBTATTReg Aug 2018 #24
Next time someone says "They are both same" Cosmocat Aug 2018 #41
Hmm...pretty sure over 50% of the people here robbob Aug 2018 #65
What percentage of Democrats do you think would approve of the government shutting down Fox? n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #71
Just remember mikeysnot Aug 2018 #12
THIS! Also, registered Republicans are only 24-26% of Hortensis Aug 2018 #63
The road to TYRANNY and ANARCHY begins with SHUTTING DOWN of the Press... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #13
43% of republicans don't believe in American values Renew Deal Aug 2018 #14
43% of Republicans do not believe in gravity. To prove it they vote to jump off a cliff. Snellius Aug 2018 #29
They are a shrinking minority Party heaven05 Aug 2018 #15
It's not just a clickbait headline AdamGG Aug 2018 #57
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Aug 2018 #16
I'm not JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #19
Just remember JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #17
Good thing that "self-reporting Republicans" is a rapidly declining group More_Cowbell Aug 2018 #18
43% of maybe 40% of the country Fullduplexxx Aug 2018 #20
I think it's less than 40%...quite a bit smaller I think...perhaps someone has the actual figures... SWBTATTReg Aug 2018 #25
Gallup has had Dump's approval over 40% for the last 5 months AdamGG Aug 2018 #58
"Self-identified" Republicans aren't 40% of the population BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #67
That's better, but Wednesdays Jun 2024 #88
True BumRushDaShow Jun 2024 #89
It's not just Republicans mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2018 #21
HOW DARE YOU TRY TO TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON?!? MY TEAM IS WINNING!!! Iggo Aug 2018 #22
So if the FIRST amendment goes away then so does the SECOND. Bengus81 Aug 2018 #23
EVERY person who says that is a full-blown Nazi and should be treated accordingly FiveGoodMen Aug 2018 #26
I don't want to shut down any news organization. mwooldri Aug 2018 #27
A suspect a slight amendment to their question: angrychair Aug 2018 #28
n/t ScratchCat Aug 2018 #30
These idiots are the rebuttals to their own arguments. Aristus Aug 2018 #31
Would they want a Democratic president to have that POWER? Martin Eden Aug 2018 #32
Well aren't they special C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #33
LOL. Leave it to the daily beast to come up with outrageous click bait PSPS Aug 2018 #34
It's based on an Ipsos study and survey which is linked in TDB article... PunkinPi Aug 2018 #50
The result of decades of prooaganda. Lonestarblue Aug 2018 #35
I find that statistic rather hard to believe. Nitram Aug 2018 #36
Read the actual report for a much better assessment of this survey. 7962 Aug 2018 #37
Wow, republicans are pissing all over truth, facts, and reality Achilleaze Aug 2018 #38
Republicans want a fascist theocratic dictatorship, obviously. workinclasszero Aug 2018 #39
Americans are complete freaking idiots. Oneironaut Aug 2018 #40
It's amazing how many people have no clue at all about what's actually in the Constitution. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #42
If we ever make it through this mess, we'll certainly have a different view of the GOP. C Moon Aug 2018 #43
if we don't win back the house or the senate come november... Javaman Aug 2018 #44
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph... calimary Aug 2018 #45
Most important things to preserve democracy ? SCantiGOP Aug 2018 #46
They had to be stupid enough to vote for Trump WiseElder Aug 2018 #47
You will watch Fox... You will watch Fox... You will... lambchopp59 Aug 2018 #48
+1. n/t Different Drummer Aug 2018 #66
Media source seems to be the missing ingredient in the Authoritarianism of Trump supporters TheRealNorth Aug 2018 #79
"Dear Libtards who think Facebook is a privately owned business," says 1 of the 43% Snellius Aug 2018 #49
... BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #68
This Reptard is actually a "journalist" who writes for InfoWars Snellius Aug 2018 #70
Fixed. BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #80
Private vs public vs government mikehiggins Aug 2018 #76
My mother told me of a news story madaboutharry Aug 2018 #52
Shame on these Republicans. Just plain Shame on them! riversedge Aug 2018 #53
Republicans are 25% of the population, so 43% of R equals around 10% of the population stopbush Aug 2018 #54
Yup. old guy Aug 2018 #59
Yup. Posted that with links in #67 BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #69
And when Pence was a radio talk show host, he said Panich52 Aug 2018 #55
Okay. Glamrock Aug 2018 #56
How much news would a Republican choose amb123 Aug 2018 #61
One cogent question: HOW MANY AMERICANS STILL ARE REPUBLICANS? Because we know it's not 50% Hekate Aug 2018 #72
So what? BaronChocula Aug 2018 #73
well if they do that how will they know when hillary is finally locked up? TalenaGor Aug 2018 #75
43% of Republicans are dumbasses. Doodley Aug 2018 #77
Pretty sure your estimate is low... jcgoldie Aug 2018 #85
I would like Rebl2 Aug 2018 #78
History Repeats mikeyboi217 Aug 2018 #81
++Welcome to DU Mikeyboi . Good first post lunasun Aug 2018 #84
welcome to du gopiscrap Aug 2018 #86
I'm thinking 20-30% would be ok with D_Master81 Aug 2018 #82
Tweets about this from Laurence Tribe, Rick Wilson, Preet Bharara: highplainsdem Aug 2018 #83
They are the enemy FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #87
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