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FBaggins

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46. That's an incomplete description of what was alleged.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:35 PM
Aug 2018

If I say that I won't sell cakes with vulgar language on them and a hobbit shows up to buy one... does that mean that I discriminate against Tolkien races? Of course not. The hobbit has a right to put whatever vulgarity he wants on a cake, but I don't have to bake it for him. His right of expression clashes with mine and it's unlikely that a court would rule in his favor anywhere in the country.

If he was unwilling to do business with gay clients, then they couldn't buy a get well soon or 4th of July cake either... there hasn't been any evidence of that... and the courts would not have allowed that. Instead, they made clear that the interests being weighed were his right to control his own expression vs. their protection from discrimination. The court didn't reach to that answer because they found that his expression rights had not properly been considered in the first place. But if it had been their right to avoid discrimination against his "right" to discriminate... it never would have made it past the first court.

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The GOPee obviously put him up to this. sandensea Aug 2018 #1
I assume you meant Polis Jake Stern Aug 2018 #52
How could a gender change be in the bible, and thus, be a religious belief? SWBTATTReg Aug 2018 #2
They don't believe that gender change is a thing. christx30 Aug 2018 #14
John 3:16 Oneironaut Aug 2018 #50
Haha! jcgoldie Aug 2018 #3
There is NO Christian persecution taking place in this country...... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #4
The most persecuted religious people in the U.S. are white Christians, haven't you heard? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2018 #19
"Forced to bake cakes" Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #5
Another bad SCOTUS decision. dameatball Aug 2018 #6
Yep. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #9
"My religious belief is that women should stay in the home..." DBoon Aug 2018 #13
Yes, that too. Many directions this could go. dameatball Aug 2018 #15
Leviticus forbids a lot of things: azureblue Aug 2018 #20
So if his "religion" allowed race discrimination, he could turn away black customers? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #7
No. He can't turn away any customers for who they are FBaggins Aug 2018 #41
But he was allowed to turn away gay people for who they are. nt SunSeeker Aug 2018 #42
No he wasn't FBaggins Aug 2018 #43
He turned away gay customers when they wanted to buy a wedding cake. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #44
That's an incomplete description of what was alleged. FBaggins Aug 2018 #46
Oh but it is, FBaggins. It was all about WHO was buying the cake, not what was said. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #48
Would he bake a cake for a second marriage after a divorce? keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #8
You know, this is kind of tangential, but Bettie Aug 2018 #16
How does this person stay in business? workinclasszero Aug 2018 #10
IF the cake falls while baking benld74 Aug 2018 #11
ohhh, the pooooooor widdle homophoibc, religious zealot snowflake--I mean, victim. niyad Aug 2018 #12
That's the question I'd like to ask! moose65 Aug 2018 #30
And these are the people PatSeg Aug 2018 #17
my his business falter bigley nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #18
"Phillips is seeking restitution for legal fees and $100,000" left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #21
It is THESE TYPE of religious people that bluestarone Aug 2018 #22
The baker should transition to baking bread bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #23
Persecution? plantwomyn Aug 2018 #24
He's being trolled by somebody. Igel Aug 2018 #35
What a Whiny Little Bitch!! nt SCVDem Aug 2018 #25
SCOTUS did NOT find "previous attempts to do so amounted to religious persecution." bitterross Aug 2018 #26
Remember when Paul Harvey called these frivolous guys, "sewers?" Democrats_win Aug 2018 #27
I think it is amusing that he is being harassed by LGBTQ customers. Nitram Aug 2018 #28
Was there anything inherently transgender about the cake requested? unblock Aug 2018 #29
Law suits don't come cheap. Firestorm49 Aug 2018 #31
He went through Alliance Defending Freedom for the last one jmowreader Aug 2018 #33
Looks like a new cosplay location. Corgigal Aug 2018 #32
a cake that faded from pink to blue - is this a thing? 0rganism Aug 2018 #34
Yes. Igel Aug 2018 #36
i don't know if i'd eat that cake, but i'd watch it with interest 0rganism Aug 2018 #37
lol that sounds pretty fancy jcgoldie Aug 2018 #40
What gives the baker a right to pry into someone's personal business? moose65 Aug 2018 #49
Why do people keep trying to give him their money? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #38
Because it's not about the cake. christx30 Aug 2018 #39
OFFS, no one "forced" him to go into the business of selling cakes to the public. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #45
Where in the Bible are gender transitions banned? Takket Aug 2018 #47
Probably near where it's dictated that, if someone works on Sunday, summarily execute them. Oneironaut Aug 2018 #51
Has Colorado considered opening another bakery? Nt B2G Aug 2018 #53
Hmm... ck4829 Oct 2018 #54
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