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BumRushDaShow

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Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:52 AM Aug 2018

UPDATE 2: Manafort jury suggests it 'cannot come to a consensus on a single count' [View all]

Source: Washington Post



The jury in the trial of President Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort indicated Tuesday it is split on at least one count -- sending a note asking the judge for instructions on how to proceed.

Around 11 a.m. of the panel's fourth day of deliberations, a note with a question came from the jury foreman, asking how jurors should fill out the verdict form "if we cannot come to a consensus on a single count," said U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III. The jury also asked what that would mean for the final verdict, Ellis said.

Though the meaning of the note wasn't entirely clear from its wording, the judge apparently took the panel's note to mean that they are stuck on a single count, not all of them.

Ellis said the note was "not an exceptional or unusual event in a jury trial," and he distributed to the lawyers an instruction he proposed giving to jurors. He said he first planned to read his proposed instruction, though he would later likely asked jurors whether they had reached a unanimous decision on other counts, and, if so, where they stood on those. The judge took a five minute recess to let the lawyers consider his proposed instruction.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/21/manafort-jury-suggests-they-cannot-come-to-a-consensus-on-a-single-count/?utm_term=.9ba4915c148b



WaPo keeps changing the headline and text narrative. Have included the latest iteration. Obviously even DU readers were having issues with it.

I figured as much - with 18 charges, they have to agree on what to do with each one.

UPDATE 1 article/title -

Manafort jury indicates it can not reach a consensus on all counts

BREAKING: The jury in Paul Manafort's fraud case indicated in a note Tuesday that it is struggling to reach a unanimous verdict on all 18 tax- and bank-fraud charges.

The six-woman, six-man jury in the trial of President Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort began its fourth day of deliberations on Tuesday.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III summoned jurors into the courtroom a little after 9:35 a.m. As occurs each morning, the clerk called out each juror's number, and each responded they were "here" or "present." The judge asked them to confirm that they had not done any independent research, then set them back to resume their work.

Manafort, who has worked on Republican presidential campaigns dating back to Gerald Ford, faces 18 bank fraud and tax charges. The trial in Alexandria, Va., began three weeks ago, and the jury began deliberating on Thursday.


Original article/title -

Manafort jury suggests they 'cannot come to a consensus on a single count'

By Washington Post Staff
August 21 at 11:50 AM

The jury in Paul Manafort's fraud case said it is split on at least one count. The panel of six men and six women indicated in a note Tuesday that it is struggling to reach a unanimous verdict on at least one of the 18 tax- and bank-fraud charges brought by the special counsel in federal court in Alexandria, Va.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.
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Ok MFM008 Aug 2018 #1
It's interesting but WaPo very quickly updated their headline BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #4
It's 12:14 and it says "a single count" Maraya1969 Aug 2018 #16
Yup - that was their original breaking headline BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #18
I would not want to be on that jury. GemDigger Aug 2018 #2
Of the 12, I wonder if any are die-hard Trumpers? Chicago1980 Aug 2018 #3
This Mz Pip Aug 2018 #6
Yep not fooled Aug 2018 #17
And the judge Delphinus Aug 2018 #50
or one was got to. barbtries Aug 2018 #19
Judge TS Idiot convinced one juror that it isn't fraud if you have an inside conspirator. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #33
another option. barbtries Aug 2018 #45
Seems likely there are many guilty verdicts on the list. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #47
we should know soon. barbtries Aug 2018 #53
WOW I totally misread the WaPo headline underpants Aug 2018 #5
They changed the headline from BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #8
Yes the teaser news pop up headline I get underpants Aug 2018 #25
Same here Recursion Aug 2018 #22
i.e. King v. Burwell mobeau69 Aug 2018 #32
Actually, I don't think you necessarily misread it. it was poorly worded... pangaia Aug 2018 #49
Headlines can be misinterpreted or misleading. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #7
WaPo has changed their headline 2 times now BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #11
Ok, today could well be verdict day. herding cats Aug 2018 #9
It's over. The prosecution can take a no decision on one count beachbum bob Aug 2018 #12
I agree. herding cats Aug 2018 #15
They don't have have consensus on all counts, bad headline and they can say one count beachbum bob Aug 2018 #10
Yes - WaPo just changed the headline again so I included the latest. BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #13
Consensus is an incorrect word here. rsdsharp Aug 2018 #14
I interpreted "consensus" as meaning "agreeing to go unanimous" (either way) on a count. BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #20
My prediction is a good number of guilty counts Dopers_Greed Aug 2018 #21
It seems that the jury itself (with no assistance from the court) Grammy23 Aug 2018 #23
TS Idiot deliberately split evidence from charges lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #35
Odds of acquittal dropped from 14% to 7% at Predictit Cicada Aug 2018 #31
I think the WP means "an individual count" C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #24
I know... it's a terribly-worded headline. Ambiguous and easily misunderstood. Not precise at all. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #27
Yeah they screwed this up several ways underpants Aug 2018 #29
WAPO may be simply quoting the question. Which could be confusing. 33taw Aug 2018 #26
Maybe they want another lunch? beachbum bob Aug 2018 #28
An ambiguous quote paraphrased multiple different ways... that's some good click-bait right there RockRaven Aug 2018 #30
Clear as mud. Hasn't anyone heard of someone saying "we don't agree on a single issue"? Texin Aug 2018 #34
"There is a single count we don't agree on." lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #36
The counts: edbermac Aug 2018 #37
Thank you! BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #39
Headline should read 'BREAKING: Manafort jury has apparently reached verdict on 17 counts ' pecosbob Aug 2018 #38
Right workinclasszero Aug 2018 #41
We remain on our seat's edge pecosbob Aug 2018 #42
I hope so workinclasszero Aug 2018 #43
Here's this from Seth Abramson... pecosbob Aug 2018 #51
Exactly. honest.abe Aug 2018 #57
If the note from the jury said, 'cannot come to a consensus on a single count', Chemisse Aug 2018 #40
The jurors also asked how that would effect the final verdict DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #44
Trump will celebrate that it's 10-8 for Manafort RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #59
Yep. GopherGal Aug 2018 #60
It would appear that if the jury cannot agree on just one count, the judge will then have to decide Fla Dem Aug 2018 #46
Having had newspaper articles, reviews, etc, written about work I and associates pangaia Aug 2018 #48
With 18 counts against him one less may spare him a few weeks of his 305 years. nt Snellius Aug 2018 #52
I think they couldn't decide... neohippie Aug 2018 #54
I wonder which count is confusing them? tavernier Aug 2018 #55
LOL. Mad-in-Mo Aug 2018 #56
They have settled 8 counts. alfredo Aug 2018 #58
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