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Fred Sanders

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46. On the conspiracy to commit fraud versus the actual commit fraud on Citizen's bank the

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 06:24 PM

Aug 2018

jury found guilty of the fraud and mistrial on the conspiracy to commit fraud...Obvious at least one juror did not feel the higher standard of proof for conspiracy, personal animus has to be proven, was not met...which is why such charges always tough to prove.

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BREAKING: Manafort jury reaches verdict on some counts, but not all [View all] NRaleighLiberal Aug 2018 OP

I wonder how many of the 8 are guilty? SHRED Aug 2018 #1

EVERY DAMN ONE. pnwmom Aug 2018 #19

It is shocking that they have no verdict in 10. That doesn't feel like good news. Squinch Aug 2018 #2

Excellent news...these are major convictions! Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #24

Thank the gods! Squinch Aug 2018 #54

It's not unusual to overcharge. JohnnyRingo Aug 2018 #60

verdict coming now on those 8 counts lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #3

That judge is not likely to throw the book at him. nt Snellius Aug 2018 #42

can't decide...bc the case was so flimsy.....EYEROLL. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #4

Manafort CONVICTED of tax fraud! csziggy Aug 2018 #5

!0 counts they are still deadlocked on??? bobGandolf Aug 2018 #6

Not exactly "deadlocked." GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #18

5 guilty, more in the way alfredo Aug 2018 #7

8 counts, mistrial the remaining Chakaconcarne Aug 2018 #8

Can those mistrials be retried? alfredo Aug 2018 #10

Yes they can!!! maxrandb Aug 2018 #13

Yes! alfredo Aug 2018 #14

thanks so much for this info - very curious about it. rurallib Aug 2018 #34

Character..... SergeStorms Aug 2018 #36

2 bank fraud now reported on top of the 5 NRaleighLiberal Aug 2018 #9

Half a loaf is better than none alfredo Aug 2018 #11

For the one convicted of even one murder and acquitted of 17 it is no loaf at all. Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #25

True alfredo Aug 2018 #32

NYT convicted 8 counts fraud, 10 up in the air BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #12

Next, state courts get to dismember him. alfredo Aug 2018 #15

A mistrial means they can retry on those counts too. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #16

This came to mind alfredo Aug 2018 #23

lol BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #35

It won't happen. former9thward Aug 2018 #39

The threat, just before the 2nd trial, still hangs out there with the hope he'll do a plea deal. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #40

Like I said earlier, a half a loaf is better than none. alfredo Aug 2018 #50

Look at it this way DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #17

It was a complicated prosecution, but this jury was hamstrung by the judge Cosmocat Aug 2018 #20

Agree and the judge did the jury no favor DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #21

Exactly how I see it. And convicted of direct bank fraud re: Citizens Bank (his buddies) but Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #26

No doubt at all Manafort and Calk conspired DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #37

What might be the basis of a mistrial on those particular counts? Mr. Ected Aug 2018 #22

Make Manofort squeal....keep the pressure on...but aside from that probably no legal reason Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #28

The jury couldn't reach agreement on those counts means mistrial for those counts. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2018 #30

follow the money left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #27

Trump will say ... left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #29

Winner! DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #38

So not NOT GUILTY as claimed. ffr Aug 2018 #31

I'm curious about this underthematrix Aug 2018 #33

On the conspiracy to commit fraud versus the actual commit fraud on Citizen's bank the Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #46

Interesting Hav Aug 2018 #41

Correction...he was found not guilty of zero charges. Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #47

Moral of this story: Pay your taxes April 15. Vote Democratic on November 6 Snellius Aug 2018 #43

Yes! The other 10 are NOT "not guilty." They are mistrials. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #44

GUILTY! Bayard Aug 2018 #45

$3.1 million fraud on just the one count regarding the bank is many years in the clink alone. Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #49

so how much time is Manafort looking at here? 0rganism Aug 2018 #48

80 years Massacure Aug 2018 #56

thanks! 0rganism Aug 2018 #58

A guess: Trump will pardon or commute the sentence after Nov 2020 election. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #62

he's got to face the state charges as well onetexan Aug 2018 #63

80 years? Has the sentencing been done? Are the terms to be "consecutive"? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #64

As if republicans haven't already had a bad day, it gets worse. alfredo Aug 2018 #51

It looks like they were confused primarily about the conspiracy charges. meadowlander Aug 2018 #52

LOCK HIM UP!!!!! workinclasszero Aug 2018 #53

Wish it were more than 8; hopefully he gets along sentence. Owl Aug 2018 #55

TODAY the decline of RUMP BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bluestarone Aug 2018 #57

It may be the silver lining from today is... KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #61