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In reply to the discussion: Michael Moore Predicts 'President Romney' in November [View all]OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)80. You nailed it on domestic surveillance.
I remember then Senator/Candidate Obama pledging to support a filibuster of the FISA amendments.
Last year, after phone calls from MoveOn members and others, Obama went so far as to vow to "support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."4 We need him to honor that promise.
These companies helped the Bush Administration illegally spy on the emails and phone calls of innocent Americans. By giving "immunity" to these companies, all lawsuits brought against them by civil liberties groups would be thrown out of court. That means we may never find out how far Bush went in breaking the law. And once it's done, it can't be undone. That's why we need Obama to promise to block any bill that has immunity.
Supporters of today's deal say it doesn't guarantee immunityâit just kicks the issue to a court to decide. But that's deceptive. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) points out:
"It gives attorney general the power to decide if cases against telecommunications companies will proceed. The AG only has to certify to the FISA court that the company didn't spy or did so with a permission slip from the president. A note from the president is not a legal defense. Allowing phone companies to avoid litigation by simply presenting a 'permission slip' from the president is not court review."5
These companies helped the Bush Administration illegally spy on the emails and phone calls of innocent Americans. By giving "immunity" to these companies, all lawsuits brought against them by civil liberties groups would be thrown out of court. That means we may never find out how far Bush went in breaking the law. And once it's done, it can't be undone. That's why we need Obama to promise to block any bill that has immunity.
Supporters of today's deal say it doesn't guarantee immunityâit just kicks the issue to a court to decide. But that's deceptive. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) points out:
"It gives attorney general the power to decide if cases against telecommunications companies will proceed. The AG only has to certify to the FISA court that the company didn't spy or did so with a permission slip from the president. A note from the president is not a legal defense. Allowing phone companies to avoid litigation by simply presenting a 'permission slip' from the president is not court review."5
Instead, he voted to give retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies.
What the fuck?
"It's chess! The Republicans would use it against him! We'll fix it later!"
((Domestic surveillance is an important issue for me. It's why I started studying politics. The vote on the FISA amendments was very significant. Here's the kicker: the amendments were due to sunset, and when they did, FISA would have returned to pre-Bushian status. All that was necessary was to hold up the vote. (Reid could have chosen not to bring it up, but that's another matter.))
Filibustering cloture and doing nothing would have fixed everything, yet Obama chose to break his promise and vote for retroactive immunity, i.e. a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for fucking telecommunication companies.
Not really surprising, actually, when one learns that Obama ($267,711)
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&chamber=S&party=D&cycle=2008&state=&sort=A
and Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, ($50,650) were the largest recipients of campaign contributions from AT&T.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&party=D&chamber=H&type=P&cycle=2008
Birds of a feather, and all that. (Hillary came in second- $112,345.)
And with all the phone hacking News Corp has done, look who's the top recipient of News Corp campaign contributions- Barack Obama ($58,825)
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000227
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"completely misjudge the opposition..." Why that's a Democratic tradition. He should know that.
Safetykitten
Aug 2012
#1
Yep--who needs that negative, contrarian shit? He should part with a million like Maher did.
MADem
Aug 2012
#11
Michael Moore is a good guy. There is no need to call him names. His weight is irrelevant.
totodeinhere
Aug 2012
#37
I s'pose that when reduced to irrelevant and petulant attacks on a person's weight
LanternWaste
Aug 2012
#84
Absolutely agree! The big money boys will do ANYTHING to put Mitt in the White House.
Raster
Aug 2012
#4
even with Obama in office.... the Rich still rule... this country is tipped sideways...
trailmonkee
Aug 2012
#6
Michael Moore can go fuck himself. I don't need to hear that kind of defeatist shit from
MADem
Aug 2012
#8
We are in the race of our fucking lives--Negative Nancies need not apply, and MM is acting like one.
MADem
Aug 2012
#30
When he says "Romney will win" he is saying "You can wipe your ass on your vote, loser--don't even
MADem
Aug 2012
#88
Michael Moore is a Green Party voter who is madly in love with Ralph Nader. He IS irrelevant in my
MADem
Sep 2012
#105
It's not about what he said. It's about trashing anyone who does not toe the party line. Period.
Hissyspit
Aug 2012
#93
He's worth millions by schlepping that shit to his acolytes--it's how he makes his MONEY.
MADem
Sep 2012
#125
You must have done quite a bit in YOUR lifetime in order to feel entitled to dump on Michael Moore
KurtNYC
Sep 2012
#120
I agree..never mind his qualifications.All the corporate mafia wants is a puppet and this guy
INdemo
Aug 2012
#9
I don't think Romney is the only RepubliCON with hidden foreign bank accounts...
xtraxritical
Aug 2012
#20
The most money doesn't guarantee a win, BUT it does make it more difficult to lose
andym
Aug 2012
#24
Let Michael Millionaire Moore step up to the plate and throw in a few bucks instead of whining. nt
MADem
Aug 2012
#32
Right. He thinks we've forgotten. I haven't. I won't. Let's see the taxes!
silvershadow
Aug 2012
#35
Yup. They're in the big book, right next to the ones that prohibit bank fraud. n/t
jtuck004
Aug 2012
#46
With so many things needing to be lied about they could never have enough money
nolabels
Aug 2012
#58
I think he should have kept his mouth shut because he's hindering us and we don't need that
ailsagirl
Aug 2012
#59
completely out of touch . . . I have read right here that Obama will win in a landslide
DrDan
Aug 2012
#55
And, predictably, the usual suspects line up to throw the next person under the bus ...
Nihil
Aug 2012
#65
No real Democrat will get elected until CU is overturned. Sure DINO's will be in there
harun
Aug 2012
#79
And Michael Moore doesn't have the right to tell us to not even bother, that it will be RMoney in
MADem
Aug 2012
#89
Thanks, Mr. Moore, but I'll trust the guy who called 48 of 50 states correctly last time.
Arkana
Aug 2012
#83
Romney could easily win the way thet the Bush Crime family did in 2000. By cheating.
olddad56
Sep 2012
#118