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jcgoldie

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19. As a person who owns many cows, dairy goats, and chickens...
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 08:17 AM
Sep 2018

... and I have also raised pigs in the past and have pet dogs and cats and 4 working livestock dogs... I can say that IMHO there is a rather substantial difference between companion animals like dogs and cats and herd animals or especially birds. I love and respect all of my animals but comparing the brains and behavior of a dog with that of a chicken or cow seems to me to fail to grasp the depth of intelligence and personality of a dog. All are domesticated obviously, but livestock have been bred for 1000s of years for meat purposes not to be the companions of human beings. (And I am telling you my wife would attest I REALLY love my dairy goats who I have hours of contact with each day on the milk stand milking by hand.) But as sweet as they can be and also show intelligence in a lot of ways, they are not like a dog. I don't relish killing any animal, but if you provide it with a humane good life and kill it in a humane fashion to feed people, then there is nothing ethically wrong with that just in my opinion.

I wanted to edit to add that I do also realize that the vast majority of the beef chicken and pork that we consume is not raised under the humane conditions we maintain on our small farm. Feedlots and caged chicken factories are neither humane nor healthy as a rule.

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Trump wants a government shutdown at the end of September. In the middle of the election. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #1
Wouldn't this already be covered under animal anti cruelty laws? Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #2
The law would need to draw a distinction between cats, dogs, cows, and pigs. Girard442 Sep 2018 #26
I know that we have pretty tough animal protection laws here in New York, Rhiannon12866 Sep 2018 #38
good on them AllaN01Bear Sep 2018 #3
That's good... but I gotta ask... you can ban eating cats and dogs, but won't ban eating the poor? RockRaven Sep 2018 #4
Has this been a big problem? n/t justgamma Sep 2018 #5
Darn, I was just about to open my new restaurant, "The Krispy Kat All You Can Eat Buffet" Canoe52 Sep 2018 #6
I imagine a lot of restaurants will have to close now. dchill Sep 2018 #10
At least, most of the Chinese restaurants COLGATE4 Sep 2018 #24
what are you implying here? alp227 Sep 2018 #25
Cultural Background Marcuse Sep 2018 #29
shutdown - dems do not need to "make a deal" as repubs need NO dems votes nt msongs Sep 2018 #7
Try explaining that to the hordes of politically illiterate morans who constitute his base ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #8
Crap JohnnyRingo Sep 2018 #9
What about other "pet" animals? briv1016 Sep 2018 #11
I don't see the difference MLAA Sep 2018 #12
As a person who owns many cows, dairy goats, and chickens... jcgoldie Sep 2018 #19
hmmm... handmade34 Sep 2018 #31
Good for them. braddy Sep 2018 #13
Historically bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #14
I doubt anyone in the US is at the point where they're forced to eat pets! 7962 Sep 2018 #15
Think about how a Hindu person feels safeinOhio Sep 2018 #16
Thats true, but the same could go for US visitors to other countries. 7962 Sep 2018 #37
Well there goes the trump towers taco salad dembotoz Sep 2018 #17
Ya gotta start somewhere BeyondGeography Sep 2018 #18
They can pass this POS legislation, and then they cut SNAP....................... turbinetree Sep 2018 #20
Well good thing they didn't ban eating... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #21
If those fuckers can pass something like this.... Hotler Sep 2018 #22
The only thing rebumblicans in the House could agree on passing before they lose their seats. Nitram Sep 2018 #23
Another Republican solution in search of a problem... Thomas Hurt Sep 2018 #27
Congress finally found something it can agree on Renew Deal Sep 2018 #28
Hell, tRump is trying to lift the horse meat ban! Bayard Sep 2018 #30
You mean to tell me there's no Federal law against eating cats and dogs? meow2u3 Sep 2018 #32
No, I would not eat my pets, Cold War Spook Sep 2018 #33
Pretty sure Republicans are okay with eating poor people, though. tclambert Sep 2018 #34
Good old fashion racism. aikoaiko Sep 2018 #35
Animals are animals. Codeine Sep 2018 #36
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