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oldsarge54

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35. Fore Fathers

Sat Sep 1, 2012, 10:48 PM

Sep 2012

Sure the Founding Fathers said everyone was in the militia. In fact, they were, and fined when they didn't go to drill. A well regulated militia (yes, I know all of the 27 words of the amendment). Fact is, not every state enacted militia laws, and some even banned militia in recent years. But the founding fathers statements were based on law. The lawyers out there, find the date of their militia laws, and find out if people are being fined for not attending drill.

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Don't ban guns, just keep it reasonable. Gun owners would be the best people to write the gun control laws, unless you want lawyers to do it for you.

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The NRA Need A Victims Fund otohara Aug 2012 #1

As a victim of bad guns laws I'd certainly appreciate compensation. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #4

Gun laws don't shoot people. People with guns shoot people. nanabugg Sep 2012 #29

NJ Gun Laws Remmah2 Aug 2012 #2

That means it's pretty much certain... uh clem Aug 2012 #7

Maybe, but not in New Jersey slackmaster Aug 2012 #9

Just great NOT!!! CountAllVotes Aug 2012 #3

Sad Sherman A1 Aug 2012 #5

NRA needs to be Charged oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #6

Technically, everyone still is in the militia slackmaster Aug 2012 #8

I think that if the NRA and GOP want to be technical about it, only muskets should be allowed. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #11

Well then, perhaps you would gladly exchange your computer for a quill pen and parchment slackmaster Aug 2012 #12

False equivalency. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #25

The Laws for the Original oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #13

Organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia are specifically mentioned in the Constitution. slackmaster Aug 2012 #17

Just what I mean oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #21

No, you seem to be completely in the dark about this issue slackmaster Sep 2012 #28

Nope oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #32

The LAW says that everyone is in the militia slackmaster Sep 2012 #41

SIlly me, oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #16

The present Section 311 was passed in 1916 slackmaster Aug 2012 #18

Here's a fine group of "regulated" militiamen. Hoyt Sep 2012 #51

Since when does the NRA make laws or issue judicial decisions? hack89 Aug 2012 #14

By Threat oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #15

Voters punish politicians - not lobbyists. hack89 Aug 2012 #19

And while not member oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #22

So what constitutes reasonable control? hack89 Sep 2012 #24

Best I've seen oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #30

Strawman purchases is how criminals get guns hack89 Sep 2012 #33

That Fine. When located, destroy them. oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #34

The present laws are pretty much adequate hack89 Sep 2012 #36

Which of those suggestions oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #37

Considering that gun violence is at historic lows and still declining hack89 Sep 2012 #38

The point is that oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #39

My stats come from the Department of Justice and the FBI hack89 Sep 2012 #40

NRA leadership - which includes these guys and worse - do influence laws, and not just gun laws. Hoyt Sep 2012 #52

So why doesn't the Brady bunch and VPC simply muster enough votes to override the NRA influence? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #55

The NRA has nothing to do with somone going mental. darkangel218 Sep 2012 #26

Fact oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #31

So we're going to charge lobbying groups for the laws that are passed hughee99 Sep 2012 #42

Does it make a difference oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #43

Just wanted to be clear that you were suggesting hughee99 Sep 2012 #44

To be Sure oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #45

So we're going to do away with the first amendment too? hughee99 Sep 2012 #46

Are you being deliberately negative oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #47

You're proposing to PROSECUTE a group for doing something they have the constitutional hughee99 Sep 2012 #48

NO oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #49

Only politicians have the power to block legislation, hughee99 Sep 2012 #50

The law takes into account the concept of "shouting FIRE in a crowded theater". Walk away Sep 2012 #53

And you're suggesting people arguing that a person has a constitutional right to hughee99 Sep 2012 #54

So many lives ruined again, at the hands of a coward. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #27

On the bright side, at least he had his freedumbs. nt valerief Aug 2012 #20

What a sickening freak! rachel1 Aug 2012 #23

Fore Fathers oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #35