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marble falls

(72,451 posts)
5. They can too subpoena - think of all those gangsters and alleged communists ...
Tue Sep 18, 2018, 05:18 PM
Sep 2018

who went before Congress.



https://www.quora.com/How-does-congress-have-the-power-to-subpoena


To understand this authority, one must consider that a conventional subpoena requesting discovery (usually testimony) or the production of documents or other physical evidence is usually issued by an attorney on behalf the court (in his capacity as an officer of the court) rather than directly by a judge or the court itself. However, such subpoenas, while they should not be ignored, can be challenged before the court itself (typical reasons include undue burden, lack of relevance, etc.). What gives the subpoena "teeth" however is that a court may hold a party in contempt of court if they do not successfully challenge or comply with a subpoena once issued.

It seems that Congress has always believed itself endowed with the authority to also hold people in contempt; in this case contempt of Congress. This authority was recognized by the US Supreme court in 1821 in Anderson V Dunn, and later formally added to the US criminal code in 1857.

Additionally, although not well known, Congress is the Sovereign authority of the District of Columbia (in the limited way that US States are technically legally sovereign). While it is true that Washington D.C. has a town council, and elected mayor, etc which were enacted by laws approved by Congress, Congress has the constitutional authority to override or veto any of their acts or decisions. Thus it has (mostly) the same sovereign authorities as say the State of NY. Further Section I, article 8 of the constitution authorizes Congress to "constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court." Meaning that Congress can create courts (but they must be lower ranking in authority than the US Supreme Court). It has exercised this authority and created numerous US District Courts, including (unsurprisingly) one for the District of Columbia. Congress has, using this authority, enacted rules which allow for congressional committees and/or individual committee chairs to act as officers of the court, and therefore issue subpoenas which, due to the contempt of congress statutes, have teeth.

That said, however, there are some interesting differences between congressional subpoenas and the more conventional civil and criminal counterparts. Among these are:

1. More limited scope, per Wilkinson v US, the subpoena must be related to the committee's or sub-committee's area of authority, the subpoena must be for information/testimony relevant to the matter, and finally, the inquiry must serve a valid and legitimate legislative purpose.

2. Except for the standards above, courts will generally not hear motions to vacate or amend congressional subpoenas, as the article I, section 6 of the constitution states, in part, that Congress "for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place." This includes courts, and has been interpreted to mean that congressional investigations and deliberations are beyond the scope of the court's authority to review.

3. Inherent (as opposed to statutory) Contempt of Congress is tried by Congress itself (not a court or heard by a jury), cannot be reviewed by courts, and convictions and punishments are not subject to Presidential pardons. This was upheld by the Supreme Court in Jurney v MacCracken. Although as a practical matter, Inherent Contempt has not been used in almost a century.

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Grassley had already stated no witnesses madaboutharry Sep 2018 #1
Massive disrespect to a brave woman to say "the hearings are next Monday, too bad if you can Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #2
That was my thinking - she has to make a day long flight (probably Saturday or Sunday).... George II Sep 2018 #9
Not to mention her lawyer was not even told...she might have had plans...hope all folks take notice. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #20
Boy, if only Congress had the power to subpoena witnesses to compel their appearance... RockRaven Sep 2018 #3
They can too subpoena - think of all those gangsters and alleged communists ... marble falls Sep 2018 #5
Thanks for the information. Very informative. NT SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #10
Excellent idea. What would we call it? California_Republic Sep 2018 #7
If only witnesses couldn't invoke their 5th amendment right to refuse to testify PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #12
Seriously? marble falls Sep 2018 #19
They can do that. Mueller has done that for many. nt Gore1FL Sep 2018 #27
+10000 Pachamama Sep 2018 #44
Subpoena the jerk. marble falls Sep 2018 #4
Judge is a coward - to many, he is an accomplice..not a witness - asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #6
He would have to take the 5th amendment Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #11
Actually he says he has no recall of the incident occuring so he could always just say that. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #14
I suppose, but he'd better hope Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #17
Why? Neither he nor Kavanaugh are in any criminal jeopardy The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #26
Kavanaugh would at least be in Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #31
He's already in some political jeopardy, and taking the 5th would make it worse. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #32
Judge is a witness and an accomplice and would be an acussed as well. Lots of reasons to avoid Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #21
See above. The statute of limitations regarding the assault ran years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #28
Maryland has no statute of limitation on felony sex crimes. But it would likely be unprosecutable. bench scientist Sep 2018 #33
If it had been prosecuted at all it almost certainly would have been The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #34
very true. Does Dr. Ford have any causes of action should could bring now? bench scientist Sep 2018 #36
Statutes of limitations would have run on civil claims too. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #37
it's he defaming her right now? in the present? bench scientist Sep 2018 #38
As far as can be determined, john657 Sep 2018 #39
Because he said "I've already said everything I have to say" 7962 Sep 2018 #45
Why would she and Kavanaugh be at the hearing together? Perseus Sep 2018 #8
I think she can still press charges? torius Sep 2018 #13
Unless the District Attorney in the jurisdiction agrees to take up the case nothing would happen. nt PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #15
Could she sue them in civil court? n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #18
There are limits on the timeframe to begin a civil lawsuit, see.... PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #22
Thanks. Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #25
But he's lying about her now.So a defamation action or IIED action would be counted from now not1985 bench scientist Sep 2018 #35
Denying something happened isn't really a defamation. Has he called her a liar? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #47
No statute of limitations on *felony* sex crimes More_Cowbell Sep 2018 #16
There's no statute of limitations for felony sex crimes. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #29
"I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents." Gregory Peccary Sep 2018 #23
"I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents." Incidents? Were there more Autumn Sep 2018 #24
That caught my eye too GusBob Sep 2018 #30
So Mark admits there were "incidents". sinkingfeeling Sep 2018 #40
Smart not to lie under oath. JohnnyRingo Sep 2018 #41
Yup... at least some people are still wary about perjuring themselves... Salviati Sep 2018 #42
So Judge, the third person in the room at the party that Kavanaugh didn't attend, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #43
The FBI needs to speak with him. nt Cognitive_Resonance Sep 2018 #46
I agree duforsure Sep 2018 #48
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