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MFrohike

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32. Yeah, that's just dead wrong
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 01:23 AM
Sep 2012

He consciously spent years modeling himself after FDR. He spent a lot of time trying to get his office and reporters to refer to him as LBJ as a subconscious nod to FDR (the idea of being referred to as a set of initials). Poor people didn't put FDR's picture on the wall because of WW2, they did it because of the New Deal. To this day, the fact that FDR was president during WW2 is kind of an afterthought in terms of his real legacy. No man who put that much effort into trying to imitate another man so closely would sacrifice the programs that he trumpeted as being inspired by his hero for a losing proxy war on the edge of nowhere.

LBJ was used to controlling Hubert and allowed no room for dissent. I suspect it was hard for him to logically separate himself from an issue that was so intertwined with his presidency.

I didn't blame anyone for anything. Hubert lost because he was perceived as being too close to Johnson, which was a pretty astute observation. I'm a huge fan of both of them, but if the average voter was turned off by Johnson, he made a logical choice in rejecting Hubert as more of the same. Granted, that choice was absurd because the alternate choice was Tricky Dick, but that's how it goes sometimes.

Just as a point of fact, opposition to the war increased as casualties did. I honestly think the antiwar movement really had little to do with creating opposition to that war. I think it was the weekly body counts that did it.

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Peaceful Protesting.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #3
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This time, imagine being paid to start a riot. defacto7 Sep 2012 #11
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You are not a progressive. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #39
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You save your energy for where you have some chance of being heard starroute Sep 2012 #9
Or this could turn into Chicago 1968, when it was a big boost for Nixon. pnwmom Sep 2012 #12
There's no equivalent to Vietnam, though. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #16
Pure fantasy MFrohike Sep 2012 #20
Nixon largely left the Great Society alone in his first term, though. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #21
Again, fantasy MFrohike Sep 2012 #29
It makes perfect sense, if you accept the argument(as a lot of us do) Ken Burch Sep 2012 #30
Yeah, that's just dead wrong MFrohike Sep 2012 #32
I admire what LBJ did with the Great Society(in truth, the programs basically worked Ken Burch Sep 2012 #34
You're right MFrohike Sep 2012 #36
I think pride and ego came into his choices in '68, in part. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #37
Right and wrong MFrohike Sep 2012 #42
Protest, in and of itself, doesn't lead to change. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #43
Although with VN, LBJ wasn't targeting US citizens for assassination. The drone hellfire strikes 24601 Sep 2012 #25
I'm as anti-drone as you are. Just saying the situation won't have the same vibe Ken Burch Sep 2012 #31
I really don't judge the times as equivalent. In VN, we drafted troops while today, every one is a 24601 Sep 2012 #41
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