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Cherokee Nation: Warren's use of DNA test 'inappropriate,' 'wrong' [View all] Jose Garcia Oct 2018 OP

Whether the Cherokee Nation accepts DNA test results as an indicator of whether someone Squinch Oct 2018 #1

Their interest is maintaining control of tribal census grantcart Oct 2018 #46

Tell that to the legal black freemen members they kicked off the rolls obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #70

I thought the same. sfwriter Oct 2018 #83

That was my point grantcart Oct 2018 #84

+1 Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #141

follow the money..if a cheek swab can get me annual gambling proceeds...hell yes swab away dembotoz Oct 2018 #152

I don't think Warren plans to claim anything other than some distant ancestry yurbud Oct 2018 #120

The DNA test does not prove her ancestry is Cherokee Lithos Oct 2018 #130

Did she ever say that the test did sat that? Well, no.So what is your point. Squinch Oct 2018 #138

Point is the Cherokee Elder is being a dick... Lithos Oct 2018 #145

OFFS. nt fantase56 Oct 2018 #2

+1000 janterry Oct 2018 #133

You got that right. NT Adrahil Oct 2018 #147

Wonder if the vote suppression is North Dakota is wrong too? agincourt Oct 2018 #3

Fuck this jackass named "Chuck Hoskins" Vinnie From Indy Oct 2018 #4

Seriously!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #24

He's probably 1/32nd Cherokee or some such thing himself CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #154

Just saw this guy on CNN earlier ... NanceGreggs Oct 2018 #5

Of course that is the real story, but not one that The Hill would push because that would not dis or still_one Oct 2018 #7

He is a tribal Elder, Nance leftofcool Oct 2018 #26

Until Elizabeth Warren attempts to apply for Cherokee status he should STFU. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #36

It's called science. She has a Native American ancestor. Coventina Oct 2018 #43

That's right. It was done to win a bet. Nothing more. The 1 million don ivan refuses to pay Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #103

This has nothing to do with what they think. NanceGreggs Oct 2018 #54

I found out about five years ago that along with being an American (born in Brooklyn 70 yrs ago).... George II Oct 2018 #97

Not quite the same thing. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #142

That is not what it is at all obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #71

Under Cherokee law and tradition, does the dealer have to hit or stand on 16? jberryhill Oct 2018 #77

Ding! Ding! Ding! Raster Oct 2018 #81

Senator Warren HAS NOT tried to claim tribal status or benefits... Raster Oct 2018 #80

Then he should confine his concerns to the Cherokee nation. Her heritage traces back to the... George II Oct 2018 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Oct 2018 #95

Seec46 above grantcart Oct 2018 #47

Doesn't matter. CNN got their outrage ratings. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #139

Two stories from The Hill to either dis or divide Democrats. The first one was that still_one Oct 2018 #6

Day by day The Hill is becoming more like Breitbart. George II Oct 2018 #10

That is true George, and it isn't just The Hill still_one Oct 2018 #13

She wasn't claiming to be a member of any nation. What does this guy have to say about.... George II Oct 2018 #8

Somebody please... Yellowdog88 Oct 2018 #9

Here you go: George II Oct 2018 #12

Sounds like somebody got paid. brush Oct 2018 #45

Wow, brother ... it's not like she's trying to license a casino, nor to get 'benefits' mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #11

One of two "chucks" that Ferrets are Cool Oct 2018 #14

Well said ... worth asking, does Mr. Hoskin have any comment on GOP Leader McCarthy's brother-in-law RHMerriman Oct 2018 #15

making her somewhere between 1/32nd and 1/1,024th American Indian left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 #16

Uh, yeah .... quite divisive.... alittlelark Oct 2018 #17

Perhaps they could muster outrage for Amimnoch Oct 2018 #18

About 'The Hill', from the Media Bias website left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 #19

You're certainly doing your part to see this one stuck to walls. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #122

Correcting misconceptions that the Hill is like Breibart left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 #144

Apology to the Cherokee... Mike Nelson Oct 2018 #20

By the Cherokee's rules there is a chance she could be listed on the tribe's membership rolls Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #21

This is what Republicans want everyone to talk about instead of ooky Oct 2018 #57

Mexicans show as Native Americans also nini Oct 2018 #22

Then you must know some enlightened Mexicans. a la izquierda Oct 2018 #72

Lol, she isn't laying claim to be an Cherokee...only claim is ancestry... beachbum bob Oct 2018 #23

Exactly WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2018 #132

As much as I love Liz, I agree with my Elders on this leftofcool Oct 2018 #25

she is not claiming to be descended from the someone on the Dawes rolls is she? delisen Oct 2018 #32

She is free to do as she likes. leftofcool Oct 2018 #35

so be it. delisen Oct 2018 #40

I suppose he was not dishonored LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #42

My grandmother is half Native American. She doesn't mind and neither do I. brush Oct 2018 #48

Elders? True Blue American Oct 2018 #59

Not exactly leftofcool Oct 2018 #60

The only two native American Congressional Reps are Republicans from Oklahoma jberryhill Oct 2018 #87

Thank you. True Blue American Oct 2018 #93

People are also free to feel that two plus two equals twenty-two. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #123

Was there anything in her statement in which she was claiming to that degree? No! LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #34

Why is this issue even humbled_opinion Oct 2018 #27

I'm Generally Pretty Pro-Native American, But I Call BS Here! DoctorJoJo Oct 2018 #28

Seriously? leftofcool Oct 2018 #29

Do not be shocked. EllieBC Oct 2018 #91

Jesus Fucking Christ. Take this shit elsewhere. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #33

wow catsudon Oct 2018 #39

Chuck Hoskin Jr is off base. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #30

He is an Elder, you have no right or authority to question. leftofcool Oct 2018 #31

I have a right to challenge when his authority exceeds his jurisdiciton. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #38

Warren is a US senator jberryhill Oct 2018 #79

Read Your Own Post Title ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #82

What specifically leads you to that conclusion? LanternWaste Oct 2018 #126

Pretty damn arrogant, some of us found out about our NA heritage ONLY from research JCMach1 Oct 2018 #37

It's a sad day when DUers are slamming a tribal elder about tribal customs and laws Kaleva Oct 2018 #41

+1. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #44

lol this has zero to do with tribal customs or Elizabeth Warren grantcart Oct 2018 #50

Living near two reservations, IMHO, I think it best to stay out of this. Kaleva Oct 2018 #109

Other than telling white people what to say, you're doing a splendid job of staying out of it. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #128

Everyone has the right to know their genetic history shellyleit Oct 2018 #53

It's a sad day when a Tribal Elder buys into Trump's latest Birther smear, & I mean that. Hekate Oct 2018 #58

+ 1 leftofcool Oct 2018 #61

It's a sad day when we give a shit about red-state local politicians' opinions jberryhill Oct 2018 #78

Nbody here is arguing that the Oklahoma Cherokees are a liberal voting block Kaleva Oct 2018 #104

Yeah, and Rep. Markwayne Mullin is a Cherokee elected official too jberryhill Oct 2018 #108

And what does that have to do with what Cherokee SOS Chuck Hoskin Jr. said? Kaleva Oct 2018 #110

What Hoskin Jr. said is bullshit jberryhill Oct 2018 #112

Being white, it's not for me to judge what they think is important or not. Kaleva Oct 2018 #116

Being human, I can smell political bullshit when it is nearby jberryhill Oct 2018 #117

The enemy is Trump and not leaders of the Cherokee Nation. Kaleva Oct 2018 #119

When they side with Trump they become my enemy. Coventina Oct 2018 #121

Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. also criticized Trump Kaleva Oct 2018 #124

I'm basing that on what I've learned about him on this thread. Coventina Oct 2018 #127

You'd probably not like Hillary if you based your opinion on her by what DUers said back in 2008 Kaleva Oct 2018 #149

I did read the full article. Didn't change my opinion of him. N/T Coventina Oct 2018 #150

It happens all the time. EllieBC Oct 2018 #92

Except none of that is happening. But nice try. Squinch Oct 2018 #101

There's several posts here doing such. Kaleva Oct 2018 #106

That is not called for. treestar Oct 2018 #146

sorry but they're wrong Demonaut Oct 2018 #49

This whole thing is ridiculous RandySF Oct 2018 #51

She didn't do it for them shellyleit Oct 2018 #52

Oh FFS I am sick of this. She never claimed tribal status and has lived her life as a white woman... Hekate Oct 2018 #55

I miss Wilma Mankiller. nt DURHAM D Oct 2018 #56

I do too! leftofcool Oct 2018 #62

It feels like this tribal leader doesn't udnerstnad the context in which Warren's claimed heritage JCanete Oct 2018 #63

I wonder too if he is missing out on the context JonLP24 Oct 2018 #66

Oh, I think he understands maxrandb Oct 2018 #74

The check cleared jberryhill Oct 2018 #85

Warren is NOT "using a DNA test to claim connection with a tribal nation." SunSeeker Oct 2018 #64

She can't win no matter what she does on this issue JonLP24 Oct 2018 #65

Why now??? Voices Of Reason Oct 2018 #67

Warren is running for reelection to the Senate. RandiFan1290 Oct 2018 #73

The Republicans think they have something detrimental about her that will stick. YOHABLO Oct 2018 #68

One of the very Native groups that tend to vote straight R obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #69

Totally DURHAM D Oct 2018 #75

+1 CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #115

It is the right wing Republicons who keep bringing it up. raging moderate Oct 2018 #76

I would expect this kind of reaction blue-wave Oct 2018 #86

Well, duh, the only Native Americans in Congress are Oklahoma Republican Trump Humpers jberryhill Oct 2018 #88

Go Figure blue-wave Oct 2018 #89

Not really a good try there. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #90

Honest question - why/in what context did she bring this up in the first place, and why is it of any Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #96

PINO Said She Was Lying About Her Family History ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #98

Yes I know that - I mean why was her family history and 1 distant relative Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #111

You seem to have walked into the middle of the movie, demanding to know what is going on jberryhill Oct 2018 #113

She Brought It Up Once Before As A Statement of Pride ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #114

Bad call, Cherokee Nation. Paladin Oct 2018 #99

fyi - white people expropriating or exploiting native Am culture/spirituality is a thing - ranging Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #100

I wonder if it is a Cherokee nation repuke group putting this out this statement? kimbutgar Oct 2018 #102

Oklahoma is as red a state as they come jberryhill Oct 2018 #107

Cherokee elder can only speak for his tribe andym Oct 2018 #105

Bet there's a HELL of a lot more behind this guy........ Bengus81 Oct 2018 #118

Very disappointed the Cherokee Nation chooses to disregard the content BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #125

Exactly! Well said! mountain grammy Oct 2018 #134

💙 BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #140

It's hard for me to understand where they're coming from on this. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #151

Divisive bee ess tenderfoot Oct 2018 #129

When are the The Wizard Oct 2018 #131

Speaking as a card carrying member of the Cherokee tribe Runningdawg Oct 2018 #135

Grr, thanks a fucking lot. lark Oct 2018 #136

By attacking Warren, they're giving Trump permission to use "Pocahontas" mainer Oct 2018 #137

My wife has substantial Native American heritage... hunter Oct 2018 #143

I know maybe 5 or 6 individuals that have paid out bucks for these type tests. ileus Oct 2018 #148

Trump taunted her and she bit GatoGordo Oct 2018 #153