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Steven Maurer

(476 posts)
14. They lost because of scientific illiteracy
Tue Oct 23, 2018, 10:06 PM
Oct 2018

...plain and simple. Plus, there is this "rooting for the underdog" sort of effect that juries can get, which in general isn't a bad thing, but it is flat out pathological when you ask them to make actual epidemiological conclusions with (for many) barely a highschool education.

This is an important factor to consider with regards to the glyphosate debate. When IARC announced in June 2015 that glyphosate was “probably carcinogenic” to humans, Kate Guyton, a toxicologist and lead author of the IARC monograph, stated that “because the evidence in laboratory animals was sufficient and the evidence in humans was limited, this places [glyphosate] in Group 2A [of probable carcinogens].” It was later revealed that IARC scientists had removed findings from studies that concluded glyphosate to be noncarcinogenic before publishing the final version. The edits were made in the monograph’s chapter on animal studies, which crucially informed IARC’s assessment that glyphosate causes cancer.

The debate sparked by IARC’s evaluation highlights why human studies are so essential. Indeed, one key study—whose initial findings were not included in IARC’s literature review due to their internal prohibition on considering unpublished data—is the Agricultural Health Study, a long-term observational analysis of the health effects of herbicides on 89,000 farmers and their families in Iowa and North Carolina. Running since 1993, the AHS has consistently failed to find that glyphosate use is linked with increased risk of cancer. Parts of the study, whose failure to find any evidence of glyphosate’s carcinogenicity was already well-known among IARC staff, were finally published earlier in November.


Read this. Please.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/01/years-of-testing-shows-glyphosate-isnt-carcinogenic.html

This will be appealed Steven Maurer Oct 2018 #1
This WAS an appeal. Part of the evidence the jury considered was testimony that the company was pnwmom Oct 2018 #2
Thanks for the added info PatSeg Oct 2018 #4
Yeah, I'm sorry, but junk science is still junk science Steven Maurer Oct 2018 #10
Monsanto lost because of their own emails from their own employees. pnwmom Oct 2018 #11
They lost because of scientific illiteracy Steven Maurer Oct 2018 #14
If that happened, that was wrong. But it was also wrong for Monsanto to suppress data pnwmom Oct 2018 #15
I agree with you about Bayer (not Monsanto BTW)... Steven Maurer Oct 2018 #17
Many thought the judge would totally reverse the decision, so I see this as still a win. 7962 Oct 2018 #3
The application of glyphosate makes it possible to forego the use of a number of highly toxic Nitram Oct 2018 #5
There are other options that work as well. Glyphosate is more problematic 7962 Oct 2018 #6
I can't say I've done an exhaustive review of the aviailable literature, but what I've seen is Nitram Oct 2018 #7
And more importantly, the bees. A growing problem. 7962 Oct 2018 #8
True, that. Nitram Oct 2018 #9
NO! Of concern also to first world countries where applicators just dont give a rip - Im currently Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2018 #16
from a link in the Guardian article scipan Oct 2018 #12
Thanks for digging deeper! n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #13
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