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jimlup

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77. What is morally right isn't a matter of "politics"

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 07:45 PM

Sep 2012

And avowing Jerusalem as Israel's capital isn't morally justified given the controversy inherent in the obvious ramifications of a such a declaration.

I have a real problem with this. Yeah they pissed me off and there may well be consequences. This isn't just: "you're gonna make someone mad". It is a matter of false principles and false democracy and I don't like seeing it in the political party which I support and from whom my elected officials are generally chosen.

I suddenly have real troubles with my level of support for the ticket. Yeah I'll vote for Barrack and even like him as my president but at some point I have to draw a line and the party's platform has now crossed that line.

I regret that I will be unable to donate to the democratic campaign this season and I will also be unavailable for canvasing.

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Democrats change platform to add God, Jerusalem [View all] choie Sep 2012 OP

I hate that we blinked. gateley Sep 2012 #1

Its truly disheartening.. choie Sep 2012 #2

I thought it was pretty ballsy in the first place, although politically not smart. But they gateley Sep 2012 #6

Ditto, ditto, ditto... SoapBox Sep 2012 #9

I think this move is to show respect to the Religious Left meow2u3 Sep 2012 #23

religion has NO PLACE in politics. alarimer Sep 2012 #78

unfortunatley this is a pipedream peoples religious beliefs colours their votes. whether you like it loli phabay Sep 2012 #81

We're the party of inclusion. Chan790 Sep 2012 #84

well, some of us on the religious left newspeak Sep 2012 #151

The Republicans are "better" at it but ... Old Union Guy Sep 2012 #184

I think that someone figured out the main attack that will be used against Democrats this year... PassingFair Sep 2012 #192

I guess that would depend on what side of the issue you happen to be on.nt humblebum Sep 2012 #161

Doing the right thing is not blinking Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #130

Emphasis on RIGHT ... GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #134

Endorsing the Likudnik, anti-peace position on Jerusalem Ken Burch Sep 2012 #173

Not Good humbled_opinion Sep 2012 #3

Agree... Philomena Sep 2012 #32

Necessary if GOP keeps insisting Obama is Muslim. McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #4

The Jerusalem thing is necessary? Ken Burch Sep 2012 #8

I guess there is some nutjob perspective that says its necessary bhikkhu Sep 2012 #63

the jerusalem "thing" is dangerous newspeak Sep 2012 #153

Counterproductive oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #194

WTF??? Did I Just Type This Sep 2012 #5

It's up the Irsaelis, not the Dems or Reps. Israel says that it's Jerusalem. 24601 Sep 2012 #72

Ugh. CrispyQ Sep 2012 #7

To quote Gov. Patrick, "Grow a backbone." Faygo Kid Sep 2012 #10

They did. They stood up to platform committee Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #131

yet another reason that the dems don't represent me any longer.... mike_c Sep 2012 #11

Agree. The majority of Dems are part of the problem on many, if not most, issues. byeya Sep 2012 #21

I'm also an atheist and I support the Palestinians. cpwm17 Sep 2012 #35

There are lots of Palestinians who would, umm, not think highly of your atheism. Psephos Sep 2012 #88

And lots of Israelis and lots of Americans. What's yr point? n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #94

Your strawman-fu is weak, young Jedi. Psephos Sep 2012 #105

Me neither. alarimer Sep 2012 #80

The Dems did not vote to pass it. joshcryer Sep 2012 #110

Shameful pandering to the fundie RW, who will NEVER vote for Dems anyway. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #12

Disgusting Politicalboi Sep 2012 #13

This is bad... jimlup Sep 2012 #14

I KNOW! Isn't all the caving on health care, jobs bills, etc. bad enough? alp227 Sep 2012 #15

You probably won't be pleased to know that truedelphi Sep 2012 #33

So the 12th Commandment really is "Thou shalt not speak ill of Israel" alp227 Sep 2012 #36

Well, I am not speaking ill of Israel - I am speaking ill of the fact that far truedelphi Sep 2012 #43

you know a lot of those "jewish people" you talk about are US Citizens who do vote and fundraise loli phabay Sep 2012 #59

What is morally right isn't a matter of "politics" jimlup Sep 2012 #77

well its pretty much up to the israelis if they want it as their capital which it has been for 60 yr loli phabay Sep 2012 #79

Do you know that East Jerusalem is occupied territory and not part of Israel? Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #96

I wouldn't be upset if it passed for real but they totally passed it without the 2/3rd majority. joshcryer Sep 2012 #113

They might as well change their symbol while they're at it KamaAina Sep 2012 #16

What? are we pro-life too???? Redford Sep 2012 #17

Gah, cowardess sakabatou Sep 2012 #18

Typical. Republicans complain, Dems roll over. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #19

I guess that backbone Deval spoke of is made of cooked spaghetti. nt valerief Sep 2012 #25

Apparently so. This strikes me as extremely irresponsible. nt limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #29

It's a good start on peace prevention. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #20

Um, they're doing this crap to please the Republicans????? valerief Sep 2012 #22

Cavers and Cowards harun Sep 2012 #24

Swear to Gawd, The Dems otohara Sep 2012 #26

Thank you sir, may I have another? Stryder Sep 2012 #27

Oh give me a damn break. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #28

i guess God didn't truedelphi Sep 2012 #48

Damn Solly Mack Sep 2012 #30

I wonder if this bullshit faux outrage would have snowballed Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #31

New member here... OkieLib41 Sep 2012 #34

I agree totally. WELCOME TO DU!!!! alp227 Sep 2012 #37

Hey there - welcome to DU. truedelphi Sep 2012 #44

My First Post TOO !! RanWiz Sep 2012 #198

AP source: Obama personally intervened to change Democrat platform language on Jerusalem, God Tx4obama Sep 2012 #38

Twitter? Nihil Sep 2012 #133

"Democrat" is a noun, "Democratic" is an adjective Kolesar Sep 2012 #186

Example of a more Center Right Dem Party YOHABLO Sep 2012 #39

This thread needs recs to get it to the top. CrispyQ Sep 2012 #40

DNC 2012: Platform amendments over God, Jerusalem draw delegates' boos azurnoir Sep 2012 #92

Unfortunate. Scuba Sep 2012 #41

Just listened on the radio to the voice vote on the god issue Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #42

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. truedelphi Sep 2012 #46

I heard majority NAYS as well. Redford Sep 2012 #49

Found video this on youtube, supposedly it's that vote... limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #56

Pure political cronyism. Ignoring the desires of the delegates. joshcryer Sep 2012 #112

it's a clusterfuck. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #145

Right. progressoid Sep 2012 #82

We need to make this go viral so they fix their clear error. joshcryer Sep 2012 #111

Too late Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #122

Stupid, Spineless Move.... liberallibral Sep 2012 #45

sadly recc'ing Kali Sep 2012 #47

In the end it's all just noise. Sky Masterson Sep 2012 #50

OMG mikki35 Sep 2012 #51

Just when I thought Dems had grown a spine. What a farce! I don't care what the capital LoisB Sep 2012 #52

I guess the backbone speech didn't include specifications. Great Caesars Ghost Sep 2012 #87

Kick! n/t revolution breeze Sep 2012 #53

Stupid... and badly mismanaged. FBaggins Sep 2012 #54

here is what happened DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #55

I'm with you, not all jews are zionists newspeak Sep 2012 #149

"The last time I looked Tel Aviv was the capital of Israel..." former9thward Sep 2012 #57

I think it was 1950 that Jerusalem became the capital, i may be wrong but it always has been loli phabay Sep 2012 #60

No, other countries do not say Tel Aviv is the capital. former9thward Sep 2012 #71

in the end jerusalem is the capital then. loli phabay Sep 2012 #75

No, it's not n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #93

well if the israelis say its their capital then it pretty much is unless you believe that people loli phabay Sep 2012 #101

No, they can't make something that's not part of Israel their capital... Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #103

Israel is free to have Jerusalem as their national capital, at this point. Selatius Sep 2012 #132

That's a decent summary in very terse prose Kolesar Sep 2012 #187

So is it your contention eyl Sep 2012 #141

I believe Jerusalem is not choie Sep 2012 #67

In what world do you live in that a country can't desinate what its capital is??? former9thward Sep 2012 #73

That'd be the world that believes in international law. East Jerusalem is occupied... Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #99

Why do you post on DU? former9thward Sep 2012 #154

and how many countries have their embassies in Jerusalem? Is the US embassy in Jerusalem? azurnoir Sep 2012 #104

Where countries have their embassy does not determine what their capital is. former9thward Sep 2012 #155

why does no country have its embassy in Jerusalem? you avoided an answer by providing a strawman azurnoir Sep 2012 #156

Jerusalem was a spoil of war. former9thward Sep 2012 #159

first off both Clinton and Obama have deferred the the Jerusalem embassy act which apparently you azurnoir Sep 2012 #166

You can pretend this is a GOP thing but reality must intrude. former9thward Sep 2012 #168

Reality Clinton deferred it as did Obama azurnoir Sep 2012 #169

Fine, I'm sure you will link to Clinton, Bush, Obama giving that as the reason. former9thward Sep 2012 #170

you seem confused azurnoir Sep 2012 #171

Your post: former9thward Sep 2012 #172

okay azurnoir Sep 2012 #175

You're missing one thing eyl Sep 2012 #165

so because Israel moved its government to East Jerusalem that makes it official azurnoir Sep 2012 #167

There are no government offices eyl Sep 2012 #180

Instead of putting God in davidpdx Sep 2012 #58

There was already a huge section on supporting "Faith" in general. LAGC Sep 2012 #135

I personally am dismayed by this cowardly capitulation to RW zealots of both parties. BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #61

Nooooo! Don't flip on this...too late! tonekat Sep 2012 #62

This is not good Scairp Sep 2012 #64

I was watching when the vote was taken. yellerpup Sep 2012 #65

Who TF cares? Gman Sep 2012 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #70

like the God part.... trailmonkee Sep 2012 #68

Not according to the Israelis. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #69

Seriously? This is what the screaming is all about? DURHAM D Sep 2012 #74

Political posturing at its worst. alarimer Sep 2012 #76

As an Independent this is why I vote candidate Cynicus Emeritus Sep 2012 #86

Good! God and Jerusalem should have been in there. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #83

Why does that Jerusalem thing belong in there? limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #90

Because Jerusalem in the capital of Israel. They need to know we support our friends. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #102

Don't really care about the Jerusalem thing, but why should any God be mentioned? Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #107

Good luck with that. The secular party is not going to be the Dem party. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #108

So not only non-Secular, but sectarian as well? Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #116

Of course non-Christians are welcome! Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #118

wait, what? pewpface Sep 2012 #121

: ) Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #137

That fails to describe a Christian foundation... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #123

Most Democrats are Christian and that informs their outlook. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #136

Most of them are straight, and white too dmallind Sep 2012 #139

This!!!!! Wish I could rec your reply. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2012 #157

I don't get your point. What's wrong with being white? Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #176

Nothing, just telling you how helpful describing someone by behaviorially non-descriptive terms is. Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #179

No, I don't get. Would you please please please explain? Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #181

Ok, let me elaborate, you call someone a Christian, all that means to me is that this is someone... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #182

Really? You need to meet more Christians. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #183

Jesus was, at best, a mixed bag... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #188

Yes, Jesus is hard to follow. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #189

I wouldn't say he was hard to follow. Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #190

Luckily he founded a church through Peter to help us know. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #191

LOL. Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #193

Yes, I am. And you laughing at my beliefs is intolerant. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #195

Actually I'm laughing at your statement, which, given the sheer number of denominations that... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #196

Again, not a description, please elaborate. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #160

Required a 2/3's vote. The NOs had it. The Chair, Villaraigosa, bold face lied after THREE votes. w4rma Sep 2012 #85

I felt bad for him having to do that. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #89

Did you hear that women just tell him "do it" or something like that? joshcryer Sep 2012 #114

She said.... defacto7 Sep 2012 #124

You are absolutely correct. Psephos Sep 2012 #91

That's total bullshit. They need to fix that shit. joshcryer Sep 2012 #109

Difficult to complain about election fraud when the DNC cares nothing about actual vote counts. hugo_from_TN Sep 2012 #152

Wow, way to ignore the vote. Fucking lying POS Villarigosa. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2012 #158

WTF?!? Jerusalem is NOT the capital of Israel. U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #95

Jerusalem tova Sep 2012 #138

No, it's racist to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel cpwm17 Sep 2012 #140

Another "great" way ... Nihil Sep 2012 #143

Seriously tova Sep 2012 #163

It is all pretty silly, but I honestly think the worse thing to do at this point Proles Sep 2012 #97

Excuse me for coming in late, but... Seeking Serenity Sep 2012 #98

As an Angelino, I know Villaraigosa to be a two-faced POS. U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #100

Typical DEM capitulation: blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #106

Precisely! ozone_man Sep 2012 #178

This is the dumbest thing the Democrats have ever done. Alduin Sep 2012 #115

I don't believe it quite rises to the level of the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1962 slackmaster Sep 2012 #144

I'll add my own boo: BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nt) harmonicon Sep 2012 #117

Now I know why the entire house walked out on the invocation! defacto7 Sep 2012 #119

doubly dishonest hypocrisy pewpface Sep 2012 #120

puke Marrah_G Sep 2012 #125

This is shameful. David__77 Sep 2012 #126

They should have cleared it first. RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #127

LOL That would certainly be more efficient. I'm sure they will do that next time. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #147

when I was a boy national conventions of both political parities were contentious events where fights Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #128

If Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, why does the Knesset meet in Jerusalem? Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #129

Not internationally recognized. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #146

Apparently it is now by Democrats Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #150

Where does the U.S. Supreme Court meet? nolabels Sep 2012 #148

I love a good pie fight! slackmaster Sep 2012 #142

Craven... KansDem Sep 2012 #162

who cares who cares...read the full article Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #164

Don't know if this how this will turn out for us ripcord Sep 2012 #174

Wonder why they did this? lib2DaBone Sep 2012 #177

Former Ohio Gov. Strickland introduced it and mentioned he was a Methodist minister Kolesar Sep 2012 #185

This is why I would not waste my time or money going to a national convention dflprincess Sep 2012 #197