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jberryhill

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88. In answer to your question, Congress can do the following:
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;-And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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Those are the powers of Congress. We wrote them down, so we'd know what they are. But, for most instances, if it's not on that list (or can be shoehorned as necessary and proper for doing something on that list), then Congress doesn't have the power to do it.

There are some additional powers granted to Congress in several of the Amendments. So in answer to your question:

"So am I to understand from the ruling the judge made that Congress cannot pass a law that isn’t related to regulating commerce?"

No, Congress can pass laws on a lot of subjects, and can pass laws appropriate to doing any of the various things Congress is empowered to do.

THIS law, however, was passed on two premises: (1) that it was required from a treaty obligation, and (2) that it was permitted under the Commerce clause. The decision addresses both of those points. The outcome is debatable, but virtually nobody here understands what the debate is even about.

The federal government is extremely powerful when it comes to those areas in which the federal government actually has power to do something or which have some relationship to interstate commerce.

Federal criminal law really got going when things like trains and, particularly, automobiles became readily available. That is why, for example, the FBI was created to administer a whole host of new laws that came into being when it became clear that people could do things like rob banks, get away in cars, and then go to other states relatively quickly, and thus evade arrest by police enforcing the laws of any single state.

For run-of-the-mill things generally categorized as "offenses against the person" - murder, assault/battery, sexual assault, robbery (not of a federally insured bank), etc. - there just aren't general federal laws, since those are things which fall under state powers to police various sorts of behaviors.

It wasn't really until the 14th Amendment that states even had to protect the federally-protected rights of individual citizens.
That's fucked up pscot Nov 2018 #1
U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman...hope his career nosedives with this ruling Merlot Nov 2018 #2
He appears to be a Libertarian extremist rpannier Nov 2018 #18
Apparently you don't understand the reason for the decision. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author bobGandolf Nov 2018 #105
I understand that FGM is never acceptable. Merlot Nov 2018 #110
Of course it isn't. But there are legal remedies that work and ones that don't. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #112
This can only seem reasonable if you don't really care about the problem. bloom Nov 2018 #128
I didn't write the Commerce Clause. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #131
Okay. Cut off his penis and see how he likes it. nt DURHAM D Nov 2018 #3
Without any pain meds. alwaysinasnit Nov 2018 #7
He can have an aspirin. DURHAM D Nov 2018 #9
That's probably a good idea. Crazy people should not be allowed to carry weapons. lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #76
Well it is evident that he doesn't have any testicals making the operation quick easy. olegramps Nov 2018 #79
It must be appealed. whathehell Nov 2018 #4
agree. nt spooky3 Nov 2018 #6
Yes, or else we wont be laughing whathehell Nov 2018 #8
On the law, specifically the application of the Commerce Clause, the judge was correct. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #102
Whatever whathehell Nov 2018 #114
Elections Have Consequences, Including the Gift of Misogynistic Federal Judges dlk Nov 2018 #5
Yes they do ...and people will learn they HAVE to vote or they will have more of this Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #72
That is why WE NEED A VIABLE CANDIDATE - Beto for 2020 - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION .. .. iDOcareDoyou Nov 2018 #84
This is against the girls' will. It is assault & battery with bodily injury. CaptainTruth Nov 2018 #10
There is no federal law against assault and battery jberryhill Nov 2018 #23
There is a federal hate crime law. pnwmom Nov 2018 #62
You think they should appeal on what basis? jberryhill Nov 2018 #71
Yes, and as was pointed out in another thread, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #103
Congress doesn't have the authority to pass laws against human mutilation? sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #11
The absence of a federal law doesn't mean something is legal under state law jberryhill Nov 2018 #22
It does, but only if the statute specifies that the specific crime being prosecuted has a nexus with The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #104
What the fucking hell!?!? scarletwoman Nov 2018 #12
Identify a federal law against child abuse. jberryhill Nov 2018 #13
There is a federal law against child abuse right in the OP Takket Nov 2018 #49
What about beating children? jberryhill Nov 2018 #51
But you are moving the goalposts. S/he answered spooky3 Nov 2018 #65
I'm from Michigan Takket Nov 2018 #86
In answer to your question, Congress can do the following: jberryhill Nov 2018 #88
I like to pretend no one knows what's being discussed either. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #90
Jberryhill is correct though Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #113
You're beginning to sound like a climate change denier. X_Digger Nov 2018 #120
So... analogous... Takket Nov 2018 #124
Interstate commerce jberryhill Nov 2018 #125
It is just another example of the how states rights lead to a hodgepodge of ridiculous laws. olegramps Nov 2018 #81
So, the recreational lobster catch limit should be the same in Florida, Maine and Nebraska? jberryhill Nov 2018 #87
When you start catching lobsters in Nebraska let me know. olegramps Nov 2018 #92
Well, surely the laws concerning snow removal are the same in Florida and Maine jberryhill Nov 2018 #93
Firstly regarding the lobsters: olegramps Nov 2018 #95
I caught crabs there once jberryhill Nov 2018 #94
Have a look at the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #107
We are a union of states. X_Digger Nov 2018 #119
This decision MUST be appealed. These savages must not be allowed to continue this barbarism. 7962 Nov 2018 #14
The law is unconstitutional because it violates the Commerce Clause. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #106
Appointed by Reagan. He did rule in favor of same sex marriage in 2014 lostnfound Nov 2018 #15
Reading his bio and articles from his 'admirers' he seems to be a Libertarian extremist rpannier Nov 2018 #19
Pursuit of happiness? jberryhill Nov 2018 #29
Who argued it did appear there? LanternWaste Nov 2018 #78
"No duh." lostnfound Nov 2018 #117
Without jumping, folks should note: elleng Nov 2018 #16
So if a religion believed in removing a lung or a kidney in children, would that be okay? lostnfound Nov 2018 #17
It would have to be against a state law. Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #38
IMO Dr Nagarwala needs to lose her medical license. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #20
Why isn't it a civil rights violation? There is no comparable procedure pnwmom Nov 2018 #21
+++ agree. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #24
How can The case is set to go to trial in April 2019? 4du Nov 2018 #25
Because there are two other crimes remaining to be tried jberryhill Nov 2018 #50
Thank you 4du Nov 2018 #91
that's freedom of religion to you AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #26
The ruling has nothing to do with freedom of religion jberryhill Nov 2018 #28
What about a civil rights violation, as a gender-based assault? n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #32
Here's what is frustrating about press accounts and general legal ignorance here jberryhill Nov 2018 #41
I believe you will find this article eye opening jberryhill Nov 2018 #53
Thanks. I've found a site that lists legislation by state and I'll post it.. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #63
"but rather engaged in a benign religious ritual..." But tell us again about what it isn't about. DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #35
Did you read the actual decision? jberryhill Nov 2018 #37
So the defense explicitly stating it was a benign religious ritual is...? DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #42
Has jack shit to do with the limits of Article I legislative power jberryhill Nov 2018 #43
You understand the line came from verbal arguments, right? Made in court? During proceedings? DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #45
I see you are a fast reader jberryhill Nov 2018 #46
I think I see what's going on here. I'm not on the judge, though I think it's the wrong decision... DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #57
No one has ever overturned a state anti-FGM law on religious freedom grounds. jberryhill Nov 2018 #58
Ok, but again, not part of any of my argument. You said religion wasn't part of this... DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #61
Rabbis do not have anything to do with a circumcision. Cold War Spook Nov 2018 #100
A mohel can be either a doctor, a rabbi or a cantor. It's whoever has the training. I was imprecise. DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #116
Thank you. Now if folks here would only read and comprehend. marybourg Nov 2018 #56
I think this will be overturned unless the defendants can prove they mutilate boys in the same way. underthematrix Nov 2018 #27
Okay then. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #30
WTF?! sakabatou Nov 2018 #31
Reagan appointee RandySF Nov 2018 #33
Republican LogicFirst Nov 2018 #34
who apparently understands the commerce clause of the constitution. Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #40
Good luck jberryhill Nov 2018 #44
I mean, I think FGM should a crime in every state of the union Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #52
This article is excellent jberryhill Nov 2018 #54
That's sick. Solly Mack Nov 2018 #36
Mother Trucker! benld74 Nov 2018 #39
Strangely enough, this is a good ruling jmowreader Nov 2018 #47
26 states have outlawed it jberryhill Nov 2018 #48
FGM laws by state William Seger Nov 2018 #60
My question is more basic angrychair Nov 2018 #68
That's a "basic" question with a very complex answer jberryhill Nov 2018 #75
Got you angrychair Nov 2018 #89
Here's a quick take on that jberryhill Nov 2018 #83
I haven't read the opinion Sgent Nov 2018 #69
Gonzales was decided upon A DAY IN THE LIFE Nov 2018 #80
FGM article Takket Nov 2018 #55
This is obviously a conservative judge who refuses to give any creedence to the RDANGELO Nov 2018 #59
So in the last 24 hours, torture, mutilation, and state sanctioned murder are apparently OK now. Initech Nov 2018 #64
Interesting case! burrowowl Nov 2018 #66
If we want devout Muslim Americans to continue voting for the Democratic Party in the numbers that jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #67
Good luck with that ansible Nov 2018 #70
It's not a "Muslim" practice jberryhill Nov 2018 #73
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #98
Is that sort of behavior limited to Muslims? jberryhill Nov 2018 #99
What about the Roman Catholics who do it? jberryhill Nov 2018 #74
Did you miss this part of my post? jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #77
Reasoning Seems Stupid erpowers Nov 2018 #82
"How can someone say that Congress cannot make certain laws" jberryhill Nov 2018 #85
Do you ever feel like Sisyphus in some of these threads? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #109
Not even a legal rock, a civics rock. X_Digger Nov 2018 #121
.... tammywammy Nov 2018 #96
Have a look at the Tenth Amendment: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #108
The Constitution is a lot like the Bible bitterross Nov 2018 #111
There's a little more to it than that jberryhill Nov 2018 #115
Federal power is limited by tenth amendment Cicada Nov 2018 #127
WTF? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #97
So it sounds like it is up to the states to make the laws treestar Nov 2018 #118
Exactly. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #122
Seems like a congressional overreach. X_Digger Nov 2018 #123
WTF liberal N proud Nov 2018 #126
FGM and a whole list of 'Federal Crimes' bloom Nov 2018 #129
That's extremely misleading jberryhill Nov 2018 #130
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