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Jarqui

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74. When my father went to college, he roomed with the warden of a prison

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 09:18 PM

Dec 2018

That warden maintained 33% of the men in there for rape were innocent.
It was before I was born. Never met the man. I do not know how he arrived at those conclusions.
But my father believed him and cautioned his sons accordingly.

I am still bothered by what happened with Al Franken.
I'm not convinced he was what he was being made out to be. I do not think he handled it well.
We've got good principles. We need to adhere to those as best we can so that innocent people don't get maligned.

At the same time, we have the Weinstein or Bill Cosby horrors and we have to listen to women that come forward and do what we can to get to the bottom of these allegations so that decades of this do not continue. That is the good part about MeToo - I think more women are coming forward and that alone will curtail some of these perpetrators because they now are being held to account. We have to take their stories seriously and with discretion.

I guess it is like LGBT rights or racism. We've made some headway but still have a lot of work to do.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Being Investigated for Alleged Sexual Misconduct [View all] oberliner Dec 2018 OP

We take these matters very seriously Cartoonist Dec 2018 #1

I noticed "Fox" was the first word of this "news" story. kag Dec 2018 #8

This will make me sad lapfog_1 Dec 2018 #2

'FOX' investigating sexual misconduct? pecosbob Dec 2018 #3

Perhaps they could True Dough Dec 2018 #60

Well atreides1 Dec 2018 #85

true or not... quickesst Dec 2018 #4

That "it's my right as an entertainer" alleged quote was so obviously phony... brush Dec 2018 #12

I know quickesst Dec 2018 #57

Franken immediately denied making that comment oberliner Dec 2018 #106

Dammit BeneathTheMire Dec 2018 #5

Aye and it will be sad if this is true and ruins his career however there is a chance for him still. cstanleytech Dec 2018 #7

Agreed on the harassment claims lakercub Dec 2018 #15

#MeToo InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #101

This is just so disappointing and unfortunate. madaboutharry Dec 2018 #6

Oh, I get it. kag Dec 2018 #10

Yes. SharonAnn Dec 2018 #11

I know, you're right. It feeds their ego. madaboutharry Dec 2018 #18

Absolutely disturbing. kag Dec 2018 #81

We need strong clear voices in science. THIS SUCKS. truthisfreedom Dec 2018 #9

Why are men w/dicks such pricks? Botany Dec 2018 #13

Lovely generalization Red Mountain Dec 2018 #14

And I should note..... Red Mountain Dec 2018 #16

What makes you doubt the accusations? oberliner Dec 2018 #17

Why the lack of doubt in regards to the accusations? LanternWaste Dec 2018 #20

Watson reported his behavior at the time to a supervisor and to the relevant harassment hotline oberliner Dec 2018 #23

Doubt them? Red Mountain Dec 2018 #37

The Moral Imperative of #BelievetheWomen oberliner Dec 2018 #38

There's a moral imperative to justice Red Mountain Dec 2018 #39

Agreed oberliner Dec 2018 #99

Believing women means that their claims are taken seriously Gore1FL Dec 2018 #70

Agreed oberliner Dec 2018 #98

I think accusations should be investigated, but not "believed." Jedi Guy Dec 2018 #71

The incident does not appear to have been investigated oberliner Dec 2018 #94

Oh, Brother! ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #92

Nothing is being implied oberliner Dec 2018 #95

This makes me profoundly upset. Lunabell Dec 2018 #19

This saddens me deeply Marrah_Goodman Dec 2018 #21

I'll patiently await his response. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #22

Why? oberliner Dec 2018 #25

Thanks for your honesty. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #30

Of course oberliner Dec 2018 #33

That's a shock. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #49

NDT: "I'm the accused, so why believe anything I say? Why believe me at all?" oberliner Dec 2018 #53

He sounds simply horrid. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #61

Lock him up? What are you talking about? oberliner Dec 2018 #100

Not sure about these accusations. The assistant was creeped out by him, and he apologized. He did Pisces Dec 2018 #155

Sexual harassment need not involve touching oberliner Dec 2018 #156

I'll wait for more facts and evidence before concluding too much Jarqui Dec 2018 #24

Such as what? oberliner Dec 2018 #26

Ask Al Franken Jarqui Dec 2018 #28

Have you read what Ashley Watson has asserted? oberliner Dec 2018 #31

Have you read Neil deGrasse Tyson's response to what Ashley asserted? nt Jarqui Dec 2018 #32

Does that mean you are not answering the question? oberliner Dec 2018 #35

I think it is a rhetorical question that provides an answer Jarqui Dec 2018 #40

He's made a statement on FB oberliner Dec 2018 #43

I'm not clear why I should give Ashley's version any more weight than Neil's Jarqui Dec 2018 #55

I read Neil's version and he still comes off a bit odd in it. xor Dec 2018 #63

I looked over a number of the Facebook responses and some under the articles Jarqui Dec 2018 #67

My take on the issue with the production assistant is using his own explanation xor Dec 2018 #68

When my father went to college, he roomed with the warden of a prison Jarqui Dec 2018 #74

NDT probably lacks social awareness Lithos Dec 2018 #109

You can hear from the journalist directly and draw your own conclusions about his agenda oberliner Dec 2018 #123

Have you had a chance to listen to the podcast/interview with the journalist? oberliner Dec 2018 #170

Self promotion Lithos Dec 2018 #171

I agree rockfordfile Dec 2018 #42

About a year ago a friend said she didn't like Tyson and she thought he was creepy xor Dec 2018 #27

Oh, crap! LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2018 #29

Oh Nooooooo. Please please please don't let this be true. nt elfin Dec 2018 #34

I am one of the few people here PatSeg Dec 2018 #36

I find Dr. Phil to be absolutely reprehensible. StevieM Dec 2018 #91

No, I don't think Tyson is as bad as Dr. Phil PatSeg Dec 2018 #125

Here, this says it better than I did PatSeg Dec 2018 #126

Sounds like some jealousy is afoot. brush Dec 2018 #151

Perhaps PatSeg Dec 2018 #154

For what it's worth (and if you are on Facebook): Habibi Dec 2018 #41

And FWIW, as a man, I find his response also credible /nt al bupp Dec 2018 #44

"If I hug you I might just want more." oberliner Dec 2018 #47

You sound as if you're practiced in the art of seduction. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #56

I'm practiced in the art of standing up for those who are treated inappropriately by powerful people oberliner Dec 2018 #59

OK. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #62

What in bloody hell is that supposed to mean? nt Habibi Dec 2018 #66

I'll say this, he seems guilty of saying something dumb al bupp Dec 2018 #73

I don't think there is anything more he should do oberliner Dec 2018 #76

you have changed the order of what happened scipan Dec 2018 #88

No, I haven't oberliner Dec 2018 #93

Agreed /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #50

Yes, that response was added to the OP oberliner Dec 2018 #45

Thanks. I missed that edit. nt Habibi Dec 2018 #65

Has anyone here read his response? wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #46

His response seems to corroborate everything Ashley Watson claims oberliner Dec 2018 #48

None of it warrants him being called a rapist. wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #51

There was a different person who made that accusation oberliner Dec 2018 #54

The right wing is behind this wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #58

Wouldn't surprise me. ucrdem Dec 2018 #80

The woman making the rape claim is bananas Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #104

I'm beginning to think the Shakers were right after all defacto7 Dec 2018 #79

What am I missing? During the wine and cheese at his place they sat on opposite... brush Dec 2018 #72

You are missing an agenda, prurient imagination, or twisted sense of victimhood. OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #75

Is that the same as someone being upset that they didn't get hit on? brush Dec 2018 #77

What did he "apologize profusely" for? oberliner Dec 2018 #97

Read his response Lithos Dec 2018 #108

I'm talking about the Ashley Watson incident oberliner Dec 2018 #110

Ok Lithos Dec 2018 #113

The profuse apology was to the 2018 event not to the 2009 event (according to his FB statement) oberliner Dec 2018 #115

Right Lithos Dec 2018 #118

I am only commenting on the 2018 incident oberliner Dec 2018 #120

Agreed Lithos Dec 2018 #122

Yeah I don't get it treestar Dec 2018 #141

Has DeGrasse been nominated for a government position recently? Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #52

No, he just has a new show about to premiere oberliner Dec 2018 #64

bingo. n/t defacto7 Dec 2018 #78

I certainly hope this isn't true. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #69

The Hugger Cartoonist Dec 2018 #82

This is why so many women don't come forward oberliner Dec 2018 #83

Wait Cartoonist Dec 2018 #84

No trial nor conviction by me oberliner Dec 2018 #86

I guess I misunderstood you Cartoonist Dec 2018 #87

It is the same sentiment I believe he expressed in his statement oberliner Dec 2018 #103

Grossly inappropriate is a stretch Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #105

Respectfully disagree oberliner Dec 2018 #146

what was so grossly inappropriate? treestar Dec 2018 #144

Everything that made her feel creeped out oberliner Dec 2018 #147

Made her feel creeped out and that he was trying to seduce her? treestar Dec 2018 #152

That is literally what workplace sexual harassment is oberliner Dec 2018 #160

mere unwanted sexual advances made once treestar Dec 2018 #165

Yes they are oberliner Dec 2018 #166

Oh for crying out loud. LisaL Dec 2018 #89

OK oberliner Dec 2018 #96

That's not a fair statement here treestar Dec 2018 #143

I think it is oberliner Dec 2018 #148

maybe if more people speak up on the spot treestar Dec 2018 #150

I wonder if any of those people were considered treestar Dec 2018 #142

Even if true: which time will tell... LakeArenal Dec 2018 #90

... Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #102

And certain folks will refuse to believe accusations against a person they like oberliner Dec 2018 #107

The right thing to do is wait for the facts Lithos Dec 2018 #111

... Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #112

Not fully sure who originated the story Lithos Dec 2018 #114

Are you saying there aren't threads about right wingers accused of engaging in sexual harassment? oberliner Dec 2018 #117

They were the only two people present and they have each given an account of what occurred oberliner Dec 2018 #116

For 2 of 3, yes Lithos Dec 2018 #119

That 1980s allegation is much more serious oberliner Dec 2018 #121

nod Lithos Dec 2018 #124

The Watson accusation seems odd. From what I understand she repeatedly wanted... brush Dec 2018 #136

He also said that everyone on set got a daily hug from her oberliner Dec 2018 #137

But nothing happened but wine and cheese and conversation. Hardly sexual abuse/assault. brush Dec 2018 #140

I certainly don't think that incident constitutes sexual abuse or assault oberliner Dec 2018 #145

Accused him of? Nothing happened but wine and cheese. There was no touching. brush Dec 2018 #149

Sexual harassment need not involve touching oberliner Dec 2018 #159

But there was no harassment, no sexual come on, no touching, no trying to force himself on her. brush Dec 2018 #162

She says that he came on to her sexually oberliner Dec 2018 #163

It's got to be more detail than that. Seems just him inviting her was trying to seduce her. brush Dec 2018 #164

O I know who you mean. 😉😉 LakeArenal Dec 2018 #153

Someone is driving this stupid attack on Neil deGrasse Tyson as a personal racist hate campaign Judi Lynn Dec 2018 #127

Diversion from the Epstein story. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #169

More shit stirring , oberliner is now in the Auto-trash by Keyword . stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #128

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #129

You really think it's better to have no article about this posted here? oberliner Dec 2018 #131

It's not me, it's you. betsuni Dec 2018 #132

I don't understand this response oberliner Dec 2018 #134

You're the one who responded to a +1. betsuni Dec 2018 #138

Good point oberliner Dec 2018 #158

"Alan Dershowitz identifies himself as 'a Hillary Clinton liberal Democrat.'" betsuni Dec 2018 #133

He does oberliner Dec 2018 #135

WhataboutHillary! betsuni Dec 2018 #139

Huh? oberliner Dec 2018 #157

This is an article in Vanity Fair oberliner Dec 2018 #130

+1 Owl Dec 2018 #161

It has never been a good fit, for sure. +1. n/t Judi Lynn Dec 2018 #167

What do you mean by that? oberliner Dec 2018 #168