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48. Upset is too strong of a word

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:00 AM

Sep 2012

I'm annoyed and perhaps a little sad - as I am every time I see wasted potential. Truly upset though? No. If it had been a larger group with a reasonable solution to any of the problems they complain about... had they a leader, any sort of structure, organization, or better ideas to solve problems... well, that would be a different matter.

Protesting the war in Vietnam was one thing, the solution was obvious... bring them home, end the damn thing. Protesting the power of the corporate oligarchy, or our environmental standards... is quite different, as without a solution you may as well be punching a nail with your fist.

They're awful good at complaining... but as for actually doing anything about the problem? When it comes to having solutions? I see nothing but complaining. These people are not Gandhi and they are not the Vietnam war protestors. They are a nuisance to "armchair keyboarders with too much time on their hands" (I admit, it's about 1 AM, no class until 9, so I've got too much time on my hands). They may inspire other "armchair keyboarders with too much time on their hands." They may even encourage debate among such as to the value of their actions.

What they aren't doing? Anything useful.

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Protesters again take to uptown streets (of Charlotte) [View all] struggle4progress Sep 2012 OP

Fucking losers. Marginalized clowns.. MADem Sep 2012 #1

Yeah, what an awful message. JoeyT Sep 2012 #3

Check the TOS and then have a look at your calendar. MADem Sep 2012 #5

Objecting to banks forclosing on homes JoeyT Sep 2012 #15

They are shitting in the punch. "Waaah, we won't vote for anyone! THAT's how we'll FIX 'em!" MADem Sep 2012 #27

Somebody had to protest outside the DNC. It's the all American way. God bless you. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #81

Oh please. In 68 we were protesting for political action to end a war. MADem Sep 2012 #84

I see some parallels between modern protests and historic protests. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #86

You cannot discern my "manner" unless you are sitting in the room with me. MADem Sep 2012 #114

take another look warrprayer Sep 2012 #139

The people BEHIND the protesters are, to the left. nt MADem Sep 2012 #140

Too many people won't vote for either party Herlong Sep 2012 #147

Accusations of poor hygene have historically been used to discredit movements. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #155

I was at many of those protests back in the day. We went home and showered. MADem Sep 2012 #158

I learned a new word today. Thanks. randome Sep 2012 #159

I'm not close to dead yet, but every year I spend on earth, I find more reasons to like the place. MADem Sep 2012 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #160

That protest didn't work...did it? Nixon got elected and the war lastd 7 more years. demosincebirth Sep 2012 #102

It certainly didn't help elect a Dem. MADem Sep 2012 #111

I agree...and in '72 the same goup took over the dem party and and nominated McGovern for pres, demosincebirth Sep 2012 #115

Because Nixon double-crossed the AFLCIO & turned the more well off unions against patrice Sep 2012 #123

Defeat? He/we were clobbered! demosincebirth Sep 2012 #125

Yeah, I remember going to corporate Christmas parties that year with my spouse. patrice Sep 2012 #132

Can't argue with a thing you have said. MADem Sep 2012 #131

It didn't work because Nixon negotiated with the enemy to undercut Johnson's patrice Sep 2012 #124

Cough. nt onehandle Sep 2012 #2

Your point? 70 protestors, good relations w police, ... unc70 Sep 2012 #4

I've no doubt the people in the streets are ignoring them. MADem Sep 2012 #6

I agree. These people can't help Democrats win with this crap. banned from Kos Sep 2012 #7

Dems are TOLERANT....even of fools. MADem Sep 2012 #8

Apparently these are supporters of Bradley Manning, not Occupy. n/t Cleita Sep 2012 #13

They self-identified as OCCUPY, per "Occupy Charlotte organizer Michael Zytkow" MADem Sep 2012 #28

That means nothing. Cleita Sep 2012 #29

Come on--the only person quoted was "Occupy." The pictures are captioned "Occupy." MADem Sep 2012 #33

It's the Julian Assange/Bradley Manning supporters that like those Guy Fawke masks. Cleita Sep 2012 #36

Well, they were all wrapped up in the few dozen people with the Occupy permit to march. MADem Sep 2012 #43

So what! Cleita Sep 2012 #45

You keep saying that like anyone is suggesting they DON'T have the right to make asses of themselves MADem Sep 2012 #63

I think you are in the wrong place. No body said what they are doing is cool other than asserting Cleita Sep 2012 #67

You're the one vigorously defending them. And you're not just defending their "right" to protest, MADem Sep 2012 #71

I'm defending their First Amendment right to protest what they think is Cleita Sep 2012 #73

Nobody is saying they can't protest. You're defending something no one is arguing about. MADem Sep 2012 #74

What are protesters doing to suppress the vote? Cleita Sep 2012 #78

If you aren't going to bother to read the material, look at the pictures of the protesters MADem Sep 2012 #116

From where I stand, it looks as though Democrats will have more opportunities to offer a hand patrice Sep 2012 #109

You must not have listened to the part of the convention where both the mentally and physically freshwest Sep 2012 #117

Though some of the poor and disadvantaged do want to bash heads with cops, I'd bet MOST do not. patrice Sep 2012 #120

Thanks for this. The Occupy folk seem to me to have collapsed into nebulous mush some time ago struggle4progress Sep 2012 #133

I'm sorry, but you're whistling in the dark, here. There was an "Occupy the DNC" protest planned MADem Sep 2012 #38

So it was Occupy. I was given misleading information. Cleita Sep 2012 #49

No one is saying that they don't have a "democratic right to protest." That's a fake assertion. MADem Sep 2012 #53

So this is DU the progressive message board where other DUers can Cleita Sep 2012 #55

Anyone who thinks burning the Presidential oath of office is anything but a dumb-ass, stupid protest MADem Sep 2012 #61

You don't approve. Fine. You don't have a right to call them names. Cleita Sep 2012 #62

Yes, I DO have every right to call them names. They are stupid people doing a very stupid thing. MADem Sep 2012 #65

You may find out your children might be some of those people you call morons. Just sayin' Cleita Sep 2012 #68

No. Education cures that kind of stupidity--really. nt MADem Sep 2012 #69

Or it makes them think that parents are full of shit. n/t Cleita Sep 2012 #70

Only if their parents send them to shitty schools. nt MADem Sep 2012 #72

I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #75

Occupy is a total failure. What a bunch of anti-Democratic losers. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #9

These aren't Occupy. Cleita Sep 2012 #11

You sure about that? The article quotes Occupy Charlotte. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #12

Same OP on another OP said so. Cleita Sep 2012 #14

Of course they have the right to protest. Doesn't mean they are not stupid. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #16

As long as you get it, Cleita Sep 2012 #17

You're confusing an event in Charlotte with one in Chicago struggle4progress Sep 2012 #34

I'm not confusing anything including the fact that you keep Cleita Sep 2012 #37

I sadly remember Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II -- and for the next 60 days, my main objective struggle4progress Sep 2012 #44

Really, that's what you are going to do, fight for his reelection? Cleita Sep 2012 #46

That's nuts Herlong Sep 2012 #149

Thank you for fighting a good fight. truedelphi Sep 2012 #129

If they were TeaBagger racist nuts, would you still be vigorously Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #105

Actually, I would be and have done so in the past. Cleita Sep 2012 #106

Good. Thank you for your consistency. Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #107

Usually, the vandalism and lawbreaking seems to come from Cleita Sep 2012 #108

Yeah, I don't know why Ocean Pacific would do such a thing. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #128

Please stop embarrassing yourself 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #76

"They changed the whole freaking conversation". randome Sep 2012 #91

Star Wars action figures still fetch a nice price on EBay, I'm told. MADem Sep 2012 #118

In the beginning, I thought so too davidthegnome Sep 2012 #98

Wow. Sleeping in tents saved the planet. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #126

Your toxic sarcastism is duly noted ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #130

: ) Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #137

How can you tell they are stinky? limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #83

Because I've talked to them and inadvertantly smelled them. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #127

That's not a valid characterization. How involved have you personally been with an Occupy? patrice Sep 2012 #121

Newsflash! Cleita Sep 2012 #10

Absolutely! Proletariatprincess Sep 2012 #19

For one thing the protestors are not being correctly Cleita Sep 2012 #20

Could you link me to where in this thread someone said that they didnt have that right? cstanleytech Sep 2012 #22

Personally, I think all of their almost exclusively hierarchical focus is evidence of a failure of patrice Sep 2012 #119

hear here!! nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #77

Question for Struggle For Progress Herlong Sep 2012 #18

Not a sprint Herlong Sep 2012 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Sep 2012 #144

I am fired up and I am ready to go! Herlong Sep 2012 #145

Sorry struggle Herlong Sep 2012 #146

Not terribly overwhelming davidthegnome Sep 2012 #21

Really? A better time? Cleita Sep 2012 #24

I am not arguing that they should not protest. davidthegnome Sep 2012 #31

Wow, I'm speechless especially about the part of being Cleita Sep 2012 #32

The difference being... davidthegnome Sep 2012 #40

First impressions are important at a debutante ball. Cleita Sep 2012 #41

So, 70 people grabbing for headlines... davidthegnome Sep 2012 #42

You know that protesters, who were bloodied and arrested gave you civil rights. Some died. Cleita Sep 2012 #47

I think you're getting carried away davidthegnome Sep 2012 #51

When you make fun of and make derogatory comments about what is a Cleita Sep 2012 #54

Lots of projecting going on here... davidthegnome Sep 2012 #57

Whatever junior. Have a nice life. Cleita Sep 2012 #58

Actually davidthegnome Sep 2012 #60

Yeah, personal Cha Sep 2012 #80

Yes, and those who were bloodied were INSIDE the Convention Hall cali Sep 2012 #88

Yes, they were because I know some of them who were there Cleita Sep 2012 #96

Very well said. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #93

I WAS going to just read this one but... LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #79

Well, I'm old enough to remember the protests of the sixties and partook Cleita Sep 2012 #97

No, they were NOT effective LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #100

Well, I can't argue with ignorance. Cleita Sep 2012 #101

Yes, the U.S. CONSTITUTION gives me a right LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #103

Daaayyyuuummm! Where have you been? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #122

I support this President and this party. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #25

The rent-a-mob strikes again! Politicub Sep 2012 #26

The cop made me laugh--a real "Andy of Mayberry" conversation, there.... MADem Sep 2012 #30

Oh, what a cute little story. Cleita Sep 2012 #50

You really don't read contextually at all, do you? nt MADem Sep 2012 #52

Bilious crap? No. n/t Cleita Sep 2012 #56

No--I'm talking about some pretty basic reading, here. MADem Sep 2012 #59

I thought it was funny too. davidthegnome Sep 2012 #64

He clearly stayed awake in the "Defusing hectoring and goading civilians" lecture. MADem Sep 2012 #66

I'm am glad to read of these protests and would be disappointed if there were none. mountain grammy Sep 2012 #35

The protesters are fine. They are exercising their rights. Cleita Sep 2012 #39

Upset is too strong of a word davidthegnome Sep 2012 #48

Perfect ^^^^ LovingA2andMI Sep 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #85

I'm happy to see people are still allowed to protest. Kurovski Sep 2012 #87

In this particular case davidthegnome Sep 2012 #90

They didn't burn him in effigy. Kurovski Sep 2012 #92

True! The protests agains the protesters on this blog is chilling.. mountain grammy Sep 2012 #94

More like protestations or complaints than actual protests, but I take your meaning. Kurovski Sep 2012 #95

The only worthwhile form of political expression in America is to work through the Democratic Party. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #89

+100000 It's ALL a verb. People should think more in probabilities and act with more ISSUE integrity patrice Sep 2012 #110

I do hope Vice President Gore will consider running for President in 2016 limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #161

When it comes down to it... davidthegnome Sep 2012 #99

I need this organized group to address the point that their course of action will result in more patrice Sep 2012 #104

Not much of an absolutist here, but I will fight tooth and nail ANYONE who says "Don't vote." patrice Sep 2012 #112

K&R n/t rachel1 Sep 2012 #113

The contempt directed toward Occupy is telling U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #134

There's no definite agenda, and there's no definite strategy -- so it's a bust struggle4progress Sep 2012 #135

Damn Herlong Sep 2012 #143

You are with Occupy then? davidthegnome Sep 2012 #136

Hippie Punching warrprayer Sep 2012 #138

The protesters were pretty well treated IMO. Lots of possible arrests weren't made struggle4progress Sep 2012 #141

The 'Unmask the DNC' sign is the most ironic one. Held by a masked protester. randome Sep 2012 #153

Unintentional irony is not dead! I'm betting that sign waver thought that contribution was profound MADem Sep 2012 #163

Here's an example of asshat for you: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #142

Why not vote, struggle for progress? Herlong Sep 2012 #148

I vote; I encourage others to vote; and I regularly register people to vote struggle4progress Sep 2012 #156

Thank you for that post Herlong Sep 2012 #150

I think you're not seeing struggle4progress' point. randome Sep 2012 #151

And this is helpful Herlong Sep 2012 #152

Perhaps to point out that people who say 'Obama is murder' are not helpful. randome Sep 2012 #154

warrprayer calls me an asshat in #138. so i thought i'd indicate who the real asshats are struggle4progress Sep 2012 #157

Saying people "suck" isn't very helpful, and that is what you did. MADem Sep 2012 #164

MADem is correct Herlong Oct 2012 #165