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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
75. I guess it depend ...
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:08 PM
Sep 2012

On whom one believes ...

Obama "was spewing coals," Boehner told Woodward, calling it a near "presidential tirade," according to a report on the book by ABC News.

The president and aides said Boehner had failed to return previous presidential calls, and backed away from a deal because he feared loss of support from Tea Party members of his caucus.

"I was pretty angry," Obama told Woodward. "There's no doubt I thought it was profoundly irresponsible, at that stage, not to call me back immediately and let me know what was going on."

Boehner said the White House loaded down the deal at the end with too many tax hikes; Obama would later say he only broached the possibility of new government revenues.

"He (the president) was pissed," Boehner told Woodward. "He wasn't going to get a damn dime more out of me. He knew how far out on a limb I was. But he was hot. It was clear to me that coming to an agreement with him was not going to happen, and that I had to go to Plan B."


President Obama, who can be said to spin a fact; but has yet to be accused of lying (except by the right) - along with his infuriatingly frequent attempts to reach agreement by giving ground ... Or, boehner, with his pristine record for truthfulness - along with his expressed frustration with having to appease the teaparty wing?


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Boom! Stuckinthebush Sep 2012 #1
Goes the dynamite! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #7
How is that better??? The Labor Force Participation Rate is 63.5! Lowest since 1981! Roland99 Sep 2012 #28
The optics of 8.1%, a drop of .2%, is better than an uptick at this Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #29
As a soundbite headline it might be good but it's *horrible* news in reality Roland99 Sep 2012 #32
Agreed, but at this critical juncture, optics are everything. Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #34
You know what? I don't give a rat's ass about optics. I want the people that I SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #49
I'm with you glacierbay Sep 2012 #61
Not good, no, but sure as hell better than a percentage Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #86
But, unless PBO can get re-elected, ain't nobody Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #85
You're not living in reality. A sound bite isn't going to get the President re-elected. People SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #95
And do you seriously think that's going to happen between now and Nov. 6th? Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #99
Cf.: Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #94
Yes, the IMPORTANT thing is what we can make people believe, hughee99 Sep 2012 #66
cf.: Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #100
I am more interested in truth than optics. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2012 #74
As am I, and most Dems, in the final analysis... Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #89
What a bunch of naysayers. Uneployment dropped from 8.3 to 8.1! Can't find any thing good in demosincebirth Sep 2012 #41
The people in the labor force knows whether they are participating or not. former9thward Sep 2012 #45
Oh, so, since 90% of the people don't know what the LFPR is then that's a good thing? Roland99 Sep 2012 #69
I did not say that. demosincebirth Sep 2012 #83
That's certainly what you meant to say or at least imply Roland99 Sep 2012 #87
What I meant to say is what I said, not what you think I said or implied. eom demosincebirth Sep 2012 #102
In an election cycle? Optics, optics, optics! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #90
Why ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #58
And no one is graduating schools and entering the work force while those people retire, eh? Roland99 Sep 2012 #70
Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #79
Tell it, 1StrongBlackMan! This "bulge" was forecast Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #91
The 300,000 a month that are retiring does not cover the nearly 60,000 deficit this month SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #97
Not better... Unemployment is still over 8% for over 42 months now... :( liberallibral Sep 2012 #37
Not better? I would say any drop in the unemployment rate better demosincebirth Sep 2012 #42
The reason the unemployment rate declined by .2% is that about coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #46
Exactly. And don't think for a minute that the Romney campaign won't point that SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #50
I think Obama is pretty much innoculated from it, b/c the 2010 coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #51
Agree. And they better start hitting that point hard. SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #53
Obama needs someone who can negotiate with congress or he has to improve this skill and fast. dkf Sep 2012 #56
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #64
No...they had agreed on a target of tax increases and Obama increased that amount. dkf Sep 2012 #67
I guess it depend ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #75
Thanks for your rational refutation of dkf's Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #98
Most voters look at the .2% drop. nt. demosincebirth Sep 2012 #60
Yeah, but it's meaningless and does not signify that the coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #72
How many of those ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #62
"LMPR" - I don't recognize that acronym. Aside from that, I'm going to have coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #71
I think some of the drop in the labor force Mr.Bill Sep 2012 #77
Did Joe the Intern Killer say that? Setsuna1972 Sep 2012 #2
It was unanimous, but Joe chimed in! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #5
The round table was unanimous, with Joe Scar joining in! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #31
Bloomberg is sure throwing cold water on it. still_one Sep 2012 #3
General gist of the negative spin? Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #6
Not all great jobs. But jobs. geckosfeet Sep 2012 #17
"Never look a gift horse in the mouth"--old wives' wisdom Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #23
Notice the moving goalposts? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #65
Not just Bloomberg dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #24
Can't wait to hear them spin how bad this is nobodyspecial Sep 2012 #4
It's bad enough that people expect the Fed to move. dkf Sep 2012 #59
It would be much lower if the republicans had not been trying to "tank the economy" ..... Botany Sep 2012 #8
Like Gov. O'Malley (D-MD) just said on Joe Scar, when the studio audience cheered at the news: Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #9
And if those public workers still had jobs their spending would have created even ... Botany Sep 2012 #14
Thanks for the reminder, Botany. This is so damning that it's Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #21
Down 2.1% from a high of 10.2% JoePhilly Sep 2012 #10
Yeeeeesssssss! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #13
Wow Robbins Sep 2012 #11
Just the good news to kick off the 60 day campaign ahead... Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #12
Yep - breaking 8 is the threashold Cosmocat Sep 2012 #38
Yeah, different. jtuck004 Sep 2012 #57
K&R nt avebury Sep 2012 #15
Trend chart Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #16
Thanks for the graphic illustration! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #19
Would make a nice bumper sticker with five more green bars representing 30 months growth. julian09 Sep 2012 #39
And I am one of the newly employed treehuggnlibrul Sep 2012 #18
Wow, tree, this brought tears to my eyes... Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #20
Sweet. Welcome back into the labor force. SlimJimmy Sep 2012 #54
I have a hard time cheering a lowered rate when its because a lot of people gave up looking for work cigsandcoffee Sep 2012 #22
It's the positive optics we're cheering. Coming out of Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #27
Why are people not angry? oliverrams1 Sep 2012 #63
Now, there's an idea...put the Big Dawg out there on the Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #96
Peeps - that's only 1,920 jobs per state BP2 Sep 2012 #25
At this crucial juncture in the campaign, even this tiny drop is welcome. Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #26
Really? Chuck "Buzzkill" Todd says it dragged him down. nolabear Sep 2012 #30
Toady Todd is a two-faced, forked tongued panderer. Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #33
Pushing Congress Again mojo2012 Sep 2012 #35
The video clip in Botany's post up-thread needs Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #36
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #47
The media is spinning it like it's a TERRIBLE report. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #40
Have you been reading THIS thread? 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #68
I'm really starting to believe ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #88
This is NOT good news!! center rising Sep 2012 #43
Correct glacierbay Sep 2012 #48
Demographic bulge coming into the equation... Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #92
Cf.: Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #93
Bad News is the new Good News slackmaster Sep 2012 #44
If this were good news then Romney would not be so giddy this morning budkin Sep 2012 #52
Did you find him "giddy"? I thought he was just his Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #82
When discussing the ...y 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #55
Excellent point, 1SBM! I was going to bring this up earlier, but then forgot... Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #80
Only 96K jobs added in August... Labor force participation rated lowest in decades... totodeinhere Sep 2012 #73
1StrongBlack Man makes an excellent point upthread. Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #84
Good for Obama abelenkpe Sep 2012 #76
What you said! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #81
who cares if job quantity increases.... Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #78
Please use the article title as the subject line and credit the correct source per LBN rules. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2012 #101
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