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(87 posts) Tue Jan 10, 2012, 02:21 PM Jan 2012

Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 [View all]

Scotland plans to hold an independence referendum in the autumn of 2014, First Minister Alex Salmond has said.

He said this date would allow the Scottish people to make a "considered" decision on Scotland's future within the United Kingdom.

The news came as the UK government said a referendum would be unconstitutional without its authority.

It has said it wanted to work with the SNP-led administration amid a row over the timing and conditions for a poll.

Story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16478121

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Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 [View all] steaa Jan 2012 OP

Scotland cannot legally hold such a poll of its own volition dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #1

Exactly T_i_B Jan 2012 #2

Yeah, what a rotten dishonesty. Politicians want to win a referendum Fool Count Jan 2012 #22

If the case for Independence is so strong..... T_i_B Jan 2012 #42

Act-shmact, the referendum will be held in 2014, because that's what the Scottish Fool Count Jan 2012 #70

I wonder how you would like it.... T_i_B Jan 2012 #93

I wouldn't give a toss. I am Canadian. Fool Count Jan 2012 #95

Yes We Can Charlemagne Jan 2012 #3

About your sig line MattBaggins Jan 2012 #4

Not this American.. whathehell Jan 2012 #10

they did try Maine-ah Jan 2012 #21

Yup, so they're trying again -- Good for them whathehell Jan 2012 #41

And the Irish still don't have them kicked ALL the way out! nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #26

I know, but they appear to be farther along than Scotland. whathehell Jan 2012 #35

Wha the hell... Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #32

Um, no. whathehell Jan 2012 #36

You'd be hard pressed to prove that assertion zipplewrath Jan 2012 #47

Not really...The point is, the demographics of California whathehell Jan 2012 #49

Spend a week in NYC, Iowa, and LA zipplewrath Jan 2012 #50

Please...I've already done that! whathehell Jan 2012 #52

For various values of "always" zipplewrath Jan 2012 #54

Limitations on "always" are not limited to the United States or anywhere else, as a matter of fact. whathehell Jan 2012 #58

I agree zipplewrath Jan 2012 #61

........ whathehell Jan 2012 #72

I said at the outset zipplewrath Jan 2012 #77

Whatever, Zip. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #78

do you have a source for the generational progressions of language aquisition? arely staircase Jan 2012 #86

Nah zipplewrath Jan 2012 #96

Hence the lack of any substantial cultural difference between the Northern states and the Southern s LanternWaste Jan 2012 #63

It depends on your view of "substantial" whathehell Jan 2012 #74

Note that our former Prime Minister Brown is Scottish LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #80

I never said there was some huge "discrimination" being foisted on the Scots. whathehell Jan 2012 #83

A better analogy would be Hawai'i KamaAina Jan 2012 #67

No; that's a really bad analogy muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #68

The Scots are the Brits. harmonicon Jan 2012 #57

Apparently, they don't agree. whathehell Jan 2012 #59

Huh? No, I'm pretty sure all parties involved understand historical fact. harmonicon Jan 2012 #60

Perhaps, but they seem to interpret them differently whathehell Jan 2012 #73

and whether they will remain so after 2014 is precisely what the referendum will decide arely staircase Jan 2012 #87

I wouldn't count on it. n/t Agent William Jan 2012 #89

That has nothing to do with what I was posting about. harmonicon Jan 2012 #90

Not sure why this is a threat to London dmallind Jan 2012 #5

+1 Charlemagne Jan 2012 #7

You are exactly right about the American south... Glorfindel Jan 2012 #9

But I'm not sure "the American South" vs. the American North" is really analagous whathehell Jan 2012 #12

There was no 'colonization' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #14

Okay, but the bribery of the Scottish politicians whathehell Jan 2012 #15

No, not like the plantation of Ulster muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #20

Okay, great whathehell Jan 2012 #34

No problem if they do want independence muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #45

Well, it's an interesting situation. whathehell Jan 2012 #46

The Mel Gibson movie was a highly fictionalized version of an old conflict, not the present. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #30

Really?.....Apparently the Scots related to it...I understand when it premiered whathehell Jan 2012 #39

More like "conquest and co-optation", then. whathehell Jan 2012 #51

Union came before Plymouth Rock did - and the Scottish king took over England, not vice versa dmallind Jan 2012 #18

Absolutely. And the royal lineage after Elizabeth I to the present is from Mary, a Scot. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #29

Yeah, with more than a bit of German in there as well, I understand, but the point is whathehell Jan 2012 #37

Well aware of that, but what does "Plymouth Rock" have to do with the UK at this point? whathehell Jan 2012 #38

As a NYer I am about at my wits end MattBaggins Jan 2012 #24

Yeah online games can be crazy in the differing politics mashed together. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #65

The Scotts may have other considerations beside the net revenue flow, Fool Count Jan 2012 #23

Just one thing, in reference whathehell Jan 2012 #48

Good. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #6

Welcome news Voltaire Jan 2012 #8

Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence? MicaelS Jan 2012 #56

It would be interesting to see the results. I love Scotland's history but don't want to see much of jwirr Jan 2012 #11

Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority JaneQPublic Jan 2012 #13

They need to give it back. They stole it, and they're being "fucked" out of MADem Jan 2012 #17

that's because every sperm is sacred..lol Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #33

Agreed. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #43

I disagree with you analysis. Charlemagne Jan 2012 #53

You are free to so do. nt MADem Jan 2012 #55

....and that would be even more beneficial financially. dmallind Jan 2012 #19

This could get interesting! nt MADem Jan 2012 #16

Presumably if they say goodbye to the UK dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #25

One major question... T_i_B Jan 2012 #44

Not just the Euro but the EU too ikri Jan 2012 #62

And then there's the nationalised Scottish banks T_i_B Jan 2012 #75

England to ask nicely for independence from Scotland dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #27

Thanks for the laugh. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #31

If the Scots leave there's never going to be another Labour government. craigmatic Jan 2012 #28

The Tories are actually well aware of this... T_i_B Jan 2012 #40

FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!! Sorry I had to say it. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #64

You weren't the only one thinking that... Hugabear Jan 2012 #66

The irony is that 'Wallace' probably means his family were recent migrants to Scotland muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #71

a dancing ultra man? Charlemagne Jan 2012 #69

As a Scot, (may be the only one here) I feel the need to include my input MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #76

Thanks for your much needed input, Michael. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #79

Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence? MicaelS Jan 2012 #82

Put simply, because many of them don't like the English T_i_B Jan 2012 #91

Assuming this passes and Scotland does become independent DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #81

"A more powerful central government"? MicaelS Jan 2012 #84

I'm not saying it's good or bad, only that I think it would be a result DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #85

The EU is dominated by Germany and France T_i_B Jan 2012 #92

Indeed, and that's why DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #94

Scotland should have independence. ozone_man Jan 2012 #88

Scottish independence: Wales and Northern Ireland make unity plea muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #97

You shall obey your English masters, knaves!! tabasco Jan 2012 #98