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188. Jesus was, at best, a mixed bag...

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:35 PM

Sep 2012

not really the most moral being ever to have lived on this planet, and I was raised Christian, so there's that too. I also lived my entire life in the United States, so I'm quite familiar with Christians of all stripes. Indeed, it is from this observation that I can state that Christianity has little bearing on people's actions.

As far as your summation of humanism, well its inadequate but more or less accurate. It could be elaborated on quite a bit though.

The problem is with the Jesus character himself, as portrayed in the Bible, is, as I said, a mixed bag. One one hand, he said "Love thy neighbor as thyself." On another he also said you should abandon your families to follow him, brought in the concept of hell for non-believers and "sinners", and was that he came not to bring peace but a sword.

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Democrats change platform to add God, Jerusalem [View all] choie Sep 2012 OP

I hate that we blinked. gateley Sep 2012 #1

Its truly disheartening.. choie Sep 2012 #2

I thought it was pretty ballsy in the first place, although politically not smart. But they gateley Sep 2012 #6

Ditto, ditto, ditto... SoapBox Sep 2012 #9

I think this move is to show respect to the Religious Left meow2u3 Sep 2012 #23

religion has NO PLACE in politics. alarimer Sep 2012 #78

unfortunatley this is a pipedream peoples religious beliefs colours their votes. whether you like it loli phabay Sep 2012 #81

We're the party of inclusion. Chan790 Sep 2012 #84

well, some of us on the religious left newspeak Sep 2012 #151

The Republicans are "better" at it but ... Old Union Guy Sep 2012 #184

I think that someone figured out the main attack that will be used against Democrats this year... PassingFair Sep 2012 #192

I guess that would depend on what side of the issue you happen to be on.nt humblebum Sep 2012 #161

Doing the right thing is not blinking Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #130

Emphasis on RIGHT ... GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #134

Endorsing the Likudnik, anti-peace position on Jerusalem Ken Burch Sep 2012 #173

Not Good humbled_opinion Sep 2012 #3

Agree... Philomena Sep 2012 #32

Necessary if GOP keeps insisting Obama is Muslim. McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #4

The Jerusalem thing is necessary? Ken Burch Sep 2012 #8

I guess there is some nutjob perspective that says its necessary bhikkhu Sep 2012 #63

the jerusalem "thing" is dangerous newspeak Sep 2012 #153

Counterproductive oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #194

WTF??? Did I Just Type This Sep 2012 #5

It's up the Irsaelis, not the Dems or Reps. Israel says that it's Jerusalem. 24601 Sep 2012 #72

Ugh. CrispyQ Sep 2012 #7

To quote Gov. Patrick, "Grow a backbone." Faygo Kid Sep 2012 #10

They did. They stood up to platform committee Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #131

yet another reason that the dems don't represent me any longer.... mike_c Sep 2012 #11

Agree. The majority of Dems are part of the problem on many, if not most, issues. byeya Sep 2012 #21

I'm also an atheist and I support the Palestinians. cpwm17 Sep 2012 #35

There are lots of Palestinians who would, umm, not think highly of your atheism. Psephos Sep 2012 #88

And lots of Israelis and lots of Americans. What's yr point? n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #94

Your strawman-fu is weak, young Jedi. Psephos Sep 2012 #105

Me neither. alarimer Sep 2012 #80

The Dems did not vote to pass it. joshcryer Sep 2012 #110

Shameful pandering to the fundie RW, who will NEVER vote for Dems anyway. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #12

Disgusting Politicalboi Sep 2012 #13

This is bad... jimlup Sep 2012 #14

I KNOW! Isn't all the caving on health care, jobs bills, etc. bad enough? alp227 Sep 2012 #15

You probably won't be pleased to know that truedelphi Sep 2012 #33

So the 12th Commandment really is "Thou shalt not speak ill of Israel" alp227 Sep 2012 #36

Well, I am not speaking ill of Israel - I am speaking ill of the fact that far truedelphi Sep 2012 #43

you know a lot of those "jewish people" you talk about are US Citizens who do vote and fundraise loli phabay Sep 2012 #59

What is morally right isn't a matter of "politics" jimlup Sep 2012 #77

well its pretty much up to the israelis if they want it as their capital which it has been for 60 yr loli phabay Sep 2012 #79

Do you know that East Jerusalem is occupied territory and not part of Israel? Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #96

I wouldn't be upset if it passed for real but they totally passed it without the 2/3rd majority. joshcryer Sep 2012 #113

They might as well change their symbol while they're at it KamaAina Sep 2012 #16

What? are we pro-life too???? Redford Sep 2012 #17

Gah, cowardess sakabatou Sep 2012 #18

Typical. Republicans complain, Dems roll over. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #19

I guess that backbone Deval spoke of is made of cooked spaghetti. nt valerief Sep 2012 #25

Apparently so. This strikes me as extremely irresponsible. nt limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #29

It's a good start on peace prevention. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #20

Um, they're doing this crap to please the Republicans????? valerief Sep 2012 #22

Cavers and Cowards harun Sep 2012 #24

Swear to Gawd, The Dems otohara Sep 2012 #26

Thank you sir, may I have another? Stryder Sep 2012 #27

Oh give me a damn break. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #28

i guess God didn't truedelphi Sep 2012 #48

Damn Solly Mack Sep 2012 #30

I wonder if this bullshit faux outrage would have snowballed Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #31

New member here... OkieLib41 Sep 2012 #34

I agree totally. WELCOME TO DU!!!! alp227 Sep 2012 #37

Hey there - welcome to DU. truedelphi Sep 2012 #44

My First Post TOO !! RanWiz Sep 2012 #198

AP source: Obama personally intervened to change Democrat platform language on Jerusalem, God Tx4obama Sep 2012 #38

Twitter? Nihil Sep 2012 #133

"Democrat" is a noun, "Democratic" is an adjective Kolesar Sep 2012 #186

Example of a more Center Right Dem Party YOHABLO Sep 2012 #39

This thread needs recs to get it to the top. CrispyQ Sep 2012 #40

DNC 2012: Platform amendments over God, Jerusalem draw delegates' boos azurnoir Sep 2012 #92

Unfortunate. Scuba Sep 2012 #41

Just listened on the radio to the voice vote on the god issue Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #42

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. truedelphi Sep 2012 #46

I heard majority NAYS as well. Redford Sep 2012 #49

Found video this on youtube, supposedly it's that vote... limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #56

Pure political cronyism. Ignoring the desires of the delegates. joshcryer Sep 2012 #112

it's a clusterfuck. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #145

Right. progressoid Sep 2012 #82

We need to make this go viral so they fix their clear error. joshcryer Sep 2012 #111

Too late Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #122

Stupid, Spineless Move.... liberallibral Sep 2012 #45

sadly recc'ing Kali Sep 2012 #47

In the end it's all just noise. Sky Masterson Sep 2012 #50

OMG mikki35 Sep 2012 #51

Just when I thought Dems had grown a spine. What a farce! I don't care what the capital LoisB Sep 2012 #52

I guess the backbone speech didn't include specifications. Great Caesars Ghost Sep 2012 #87

Kick! n/t revolution breeze Sep 2012 #53

Stupid... and badly mismanaged. FBaggins Sep 2012 #54

here is what happened DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #55

I'm with you, not all jews are zionists newspeak Sep 2012 #149

"The last time I looked Tel Aviv was the capital of Israel..." former9thward Sep 2012 #57

I think it was 1950 that Jerusalem became the capital, i may be wrong but it always has been loli phabay Sep 2012 #60

No, other countries do not say Tel Aviv is the capital. former9thward Sep 2012 #71

in the end jerusalem is the capital then. loli phabay Sep 2012 #75

No, it's not n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #93

well if the israelis say its their capital then it pretty much is unless you believe that people loli phabay Sep 2012 #101

No, they can't make something that's not part of Israel their capital... Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #103

Israel is free to have Jerusalem as their national capital, at this point. Selatius Sep 2012 #132

That's a decent summary in very terse prose Kolesar Sep 2012 #187

So is it your contention eyl Sep 2012 #141

I believe Jerusalem is not choie Sep 2012 #67

In what world do you live in that a country can't desinate what its capital is??? former9thward Sep 2012 #73

That'd be the world that believes in international law. East Jerusalem is occupied... Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #99

Why do you post on DU? former9thward Sep 2012 #154

and how many countries have their embassies in Jerusalem? Is the US embassy in Jerusalem? azurnoir Sep 2012 #104

Where countries have their embassy does not determine what their capital is. former9thward Sep 2012 #155

why does no country have its embassy in Jerusalem? you avoided an answer by providing a strawman azurnoir Sep 2012 #156

Jerusalem was a spoil of war. former9thward Sep 2012 #159

first off both Clinton and Obama have deferred the the Jerusalem embassy act which apparently you azurnoir Sep 2012 #166

You can pretend this is a GOP thing but reality must intrude. former9thward Sep 2012 #168

Reality Clinton deferred it as did Obama azurnoir Sep 2012 #169

Fine, I'm sure you will link to Clinton, Bush, Obama giving that as the reason. former9thward Sep 2012 #170

you seem confused azurnoir Sep 2012 #171

Your post: former9thward Sep 2012 #172

okay azurnoir Sep 2012 #175

You're missing one thing eyl Sep 2012 #165

so because Israel moved its government to East Jerusalem that makes it official azurnoir Sep 2012 #167

There are no government offices eyl Sep 2012 #180

Instead of putting God in davidpdx Sep 2012 #58

There was already a huge section on supporting "Faith" in general. LAGC Sep 2012 #135

I personally am dismayed by this cowardly capitulation to RW zealots of both parties. BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #61

Nooooo! Don't flip on this...too late! tonekat Sep 2012 #62

This is not good Scairp Sep 2012 #64

I was watching when the vote was taken. yellerpup Sep 2012 #65

Who TF cares? Gman Sep 2012 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #70

like the God part.... trailmonkee Sep 2012 #68

Not according to the Israelis. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #69

Seriously? This is what the screaming is all about? DURHAM D Sep 2012 #74

Political posturing at its worst. alarimer Sep 2012 #76

As an Independent this is why I vote candidate Cynicus Emeritus Sep 2012 #86

Good! God and Jerusalem should have been in there. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #83

Why does that Jerusalem thing belong in there? limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #90

Because Jerusalem in the capital of Israel. They need to know we support our friends. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #102

Don't really care about the Jerusalem thing, but why should any God be mentioned? Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #107

Good luck with that. The secular party is not going to be the Dem party. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #108

So not only non-Secular, but sectarian as well? Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #116

Of course non-Christians are welcome! Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #118

wait, what? pewpface Sep 2012 #121

: ) Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #137

That fails to describe a Christian foundation... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #123

Most Democrats are Christian and that informs their outlook. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #136

Most of them are straight, and white too dmallind Sep 2012 #139

This!!!!! Wish I could rec your reply. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2012 #157

I don't get your point. What's wrong with being white? Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #176

Nothing, just telling you how helpful describing someone by behaviorially non-descriptive terms is. Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #179

No, I don't get. Would you please please please explain? Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #181

Ok, let me elaborate, you call someone a Christian, all that means to me is that this is someone... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #182

Really? You need to meet more Christians. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #183

Jesus was, at best, a mixed bag... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #188

Yes, Jesus is hard to follow. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #189

I wouldn't say he was hard to follow. Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #190

Luckily he founded a church through Peter to help us know. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #191

LOL. Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #193

Yes, I am. And you laughing at my beliefs is intolerant. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #195

Actually I'm laughing at your statement, which, given the sheer number of denominations that... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #196

Again, not a description, please elaborate. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #160

Required a 2/3's vote. The NOs had it. The Chair, Villaraigosa, bold face lied after THREE votes. w4rma Sep 2012 #85

I felt bad for him having to do that. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #89

Did you hear that women just tell him "do it" or something like that? joshcryer Sep 2012 #114

She said.... defacto7 Sep 2012 #124

You are absolutely correct. Psephos Sep 2012 #91

That's total bullshit. They need to fix that shit. joshcryer Sep 2012 #109

Difficult to complain about election fraud when the DNC cares nothing about actual vote counts. hugo_from_TN Sep 2012 #152

Wow, way to ignore the vote. Fucking lying POS Villarigosa. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2012 #158

WTF?!? Jerusalem is NOT the capital of Israel. U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #95

Jerusalem tova Sep 2012 #138

No, it's racist to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel cpwm17 Sep 2012 #140

Another "great" way ... Nihil Sep 2012 #143

Seriously tova Sep 2012 #163

It is all pretty silly, but I honestly think the worse thing to do at this point Proles Sep 2012 #97

Excuse me for coming in late, but... Seeking Serenity Sep 2012 #98

As an Angelino, I know Villaraigosa to be a two-faced POS. U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #100

Typical DEM capitulation: blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #106

Precisely! ozone_man Sep 2012 #178

This is the dumbest thing the Democrats have ever done. Alduin Sep 2012 #115

I don't believe it quite rises to the level of the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1962 slackmaster Sep 2012 #144

I'll add my own boo: BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nt) harmonicon Sep 2012 #117

Now I know why the entire house walked out on the invocation! defacto7 Sep 2012 #119

doubly dishonest hypocrisy pewpface Sep 2012 #120

puke Marrah_G Sep 2012 #125

This is shameful. David__77 Sep 2012 #126

They should have cleared it first. RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #127

LOL That would certainly be more efficient. I'm sure they will do that next time. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #147

when I was a boy national conventions of both political parities were contentious events where fights Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #128

If Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel, why does the Knesset meet in Jerusalem? Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #129

Not internationally recognized. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #146

Apparently it is now by Democrats Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #150

Where does the U.S. Supreme Court meet? nolabels Sep 2012 #148

I love a good pie fight! slackmaster Sep 2012 #142

Craven... KansDem Sep 2012 #162

who cares who cares...read the full article Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #164

Don't know if this how this will turn out for us ripcord Sep 2012 #174

Wonder why they did this? lib2DaBone Sep 2012 #177

Former Ohio Gov. Strickland introduced it and mentioned he was a Methodist minister Kolesar Sep 2012 #185

This is why I would not waste my time or money going to a national convention dflprincess Sep 2012 #197