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In reply to the discussion: Sanders says he did not know about sexual harassment allegations during campaign [View all]LiberalLovinLug
(14,702 posts)158. Just like you must not ignore these revelations on Hillary Clinton? Its just news after all
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/30/16953480/hillary-clinton-sexual-harassment-burns-strider
On the night of President Donald Trumps first State of the Union address, Hillary Clinton published a statement on her decision not to fire a campaign adviser who was accused of sexual harassment.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, a female staffer reported that Clintons faith adviser, Burns Strider, had touched her inappropriately, kissed her on the forehead, and sent her suggestive emails, according to Maggie Haberman and Amy Chozick of the New York Times. Clintons campaign manager at the time, Patti Solis Doyle, as well as Jess OConnell, the campaigns national director of operations, reportedly recommended that Strider be fired. But Clinton instead moved the female staffer to a different job, docked Striders pay, and ordered Strider to attend counseling which, sources tell the Times, he never did.
Strider was later hired by Correct the Record, a group that supported Clintons 2016 run for president. He was fired a few months later, Chozick and Haberman write among the reasons were reports that he had harassed a female aide.
Clinton had addressed the story briefly on Friday, tweeting that she was dismayed by the harassment report but heartened the young woman came forward. But a few minutes before Trumps speech began on Tuesday night, Clinton posted a lengthier statement on Facebook, in which she attempted to explain her decision process at the time. Though Clinton admitted she wouldnt make the same choice again, her statement falls short as an apology, attempting to deflect attention onto others and failing to address some of the key issues in the case.
I didnt think firing him was the best solution to the problem
If I had it to do again, I wouldnt, Clinton said of her decision to keep Strider on. But at the time, she wrote, I didnt think firing him was the best solution to the problem. He needed to be punished, change his behavior, and understand why his actions were wrong. The young woman needed to be able to thrive and feel safe. I thought both could happen without him losing his job.
Taking away someones livelihood is perhaps the most serious thing an employer can do, she went on. When faced with a situation like this, if I think its possible to avoid termination while still doing right by everyone involved, I am inclined in that direction.
Its not clear, however, whether Clinton really did right by everyone involved when she asked a woman who reported harassment to change jobs, while the man whose behavior she reported got to keep his.
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Now I'd never start an OP over this, even though some seem to think airing our laundry in pubic is somehow helpful. But just to show that we can find anything bad we want to on our friends and allies......and then post an OP about it, and then watch as the dividers go off on them and insinuate even more sinister reasons to further split our party. But again.......why?
On the night of President Donald Trumps first State of the Union address, Hillary Clinton published a statement on her decision not to fire a campaign adviser who was accused of sexual harassment.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, a female staffer reported that Clintons faith adviser, Burns Strider, had touched her inappropriately, kissed her on the forehead, and sent her suggestive emails, according to Maggie Haberman and Amy Chozick of the New York Times. Clintons campaign manager at the time, Patti Solis Doyle, as well as Jess OConnell, the campaigns national director of operations, reportedly recommended that Strider be fired. But Clinton instead moved the female staffer to a different job, docked Striders pay, and ordered Strider to attend counseling which, sources tell the Times, he never did.
Strider was later hired by Correct the Record, a group that supported Clintons 2016 run for president. He was fired a few months later, Chozick and Haberman write among the reasons were reports that he had harassed a female aide.
Clinton had addressed the story briefly on Friday, tweeting that she was dismayed by the harassment report but heartened the young woman came forward. But a few minutes before Trumps speech began on Tuesday night, Clinton posted a lengthier statement on Facebook, in which she attempted to explain her decision process at the time. Though Clinton admitted she wouldnt make the same choice again, her statement falls short as an apology, attempting to deflect attention onto others and failing to address some of the key issues in the case.
I didnt think firing him was the best solution to the problem
If I had it to do again, I wouldnt, Clinton said of her decision to keep Strider on. But at the time, she wrote, I didnt think firing him was the best solution to the problem. He needed to be punished, change his behavior, and understand why his actions were wrong. The young woman needed to be able to thrive and feel safe. I thought both could happen without him losing his job.
Taking away someones livelihood is perhaps the most serious thing an employer can do, she went on. When faced with a situation like this, if I think its possible to avoid termination while still doing right by everyone involved, I am inclined in that direction.
Its not clear, however, whether Clinton really did right by everyone involved when she asked a woman who reported harassment to change jobs, while the man whose behavior she reported got to keep his.
..................
Now I'd never start an OP over this, even though some seem to think airing our laundry in pubic is somehow helpful. But just to show that we can find anything bad we want to on our friends and allies......and then post an OP about it, and then watch as the dividers go off on them and insinuate even more sinister reasons to further split our party. But again.......why?
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Sanders says he did not know about sexual harassment allegations during campaign [View all]
brooklynite
Jan 2019
OP
Interesting on how women are defined more by the men they agree with than their own
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#68
When was Elizabeth Warren's campign accused of having a predatory culture of sexual violence?
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2019
#73
Ideas may be the same, however she has a detailed grasp on policy implementation
emulatorloo
Jan 2019
#140
"I was unaware my employees were behaving immorally and illegally" isn't much of a defense
RockRaven
Jan 2019
#2
Especially since the campaign said they addressed the issue and he said tonight....
George II
Jan 2019
#3
To be fair unless he had the power to read minds it is more likely than not that he is being honest
cstanleytech
Jan 2019
#8
That's not proof he was negligent nor does it automatically render him unfit to be President.
cstanleytech
Jan 2019
#97
That's why Jane said they couldn't release their tax returns, "we're a bit busy, you know."
George II
Jan 2019
#6
He has a rep of being the most trusted member in congress because he is so honest
onit2day
Jan 2019
#23
"I hate watching people make allegations to justify their deep seated resentments."
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#87
Exactly, the key word being insinuated as it was taken out of context. The rest of
onit2day
Jan 2019
#122
It's clear that sentence was created as "context" in order to get that unfounded smear in.
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#123
How do you explain that it's his former staffers doing the "attacking?" Are they working
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#124
Where did you hear that BS has the reputation of being the most trusted member in Congress? N/T
lapucelle
Jan 2019
#157
The only one that Nance attributed to him was said during his CNN interview last night.
George II
Jan 2019
#135
Just like you must not ignore these revelations on Hillary Clinton? Its just news after all
LiberalLovinLug
Jan 2019
#158
I think many who posted similar problems on their campaigns are speaking of how common
karynnj
Jan 2019
#81
So what does his time as mayor have to do with the article? This was not his or Tad's 1st campaign.
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#92
Are there 2008 HRC campaign alum that felt a need to meet with her campaign staff
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#106
Or not knowing when a top aide has settled a sexual harassment claim for $400k with taxpayer dollars
BeyondGeography
Jan 2019
#31
I'm sure the anti-Sanders crowd will hold their preferred candidates to the same standards
BeyondGeography
Jan 2019
#93
Hillary dealt with it. Corporate media is not our allies. Dodge the brain worms from them. nt
fleabiscuit
Jan 2019
#37
Thank you. That was better than being shielded from knowledge of it for plausible deniability
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#63
You don't consider harassment to be an issue? Since when are his own 2016 staff "trolls"
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#127
One person does not constitute a "culture of sexual violence and harassment".
George II
Jan 2019
#16
This isn't an explanation. He hasn't told us how it was possible he was in the dark;
pnwmom
Jan 2019
#30
When one says one "doesn't know" about something that one could reasonably be expected
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#86
Where was the bottleneck? How is it possible that with such a "pervasive" problem,
pnwmom
Jan 2019
#29
dealt with it... by leaving him on the campaign because she felt that she needed him
irresistable
Jan 2019
#107
She sent him to rehab after stopping the harassment...and fired him ultimately.
Demsrule86
Jan 2019
#144
She actually dealt directly with it. Pence and others hide behind "plausible deniability."
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#64
That's a "record"? That's one incident between one offender and a victim, and the victim...
George II
Jan 2019
#149
Allegations surfaced, and the LA Times started reporting the story in late March 2017.
lapucelle
Jan 2019
#175
The powers that be MADE his former campaign staff come forward with a complaint?
brooklynite
Jan 2019
#59
By whom? And how did they get his 2016 staffers to go along, if they weren't going to otherwise?
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#180
Are you saying that his own former staffers are trying to tamp down his candidacy?
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#90
I think the staffers are being organized and directed by a professional political operative
GreydeeThos
Jan 2019
#161
So what are you implying about his 2016 staffers? Or the campaign that hire them in the first place?
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#179
Do you mean that silly conspiracy theory that Teh Establishment Democrats are "orchestrating" it?
betsuni
Jan 2019
#203
I have seen no polls that indicate Sanders is a favored candidate...the ones I see
Demsrule86
Jan 2019
#145
"I was unaware my employees were behaving immorally and illegally" -- really?
obamanut2012
Jan 2019
#50
So, the monkey wrenching begins again...and folks fall right into line with the
FailureToCommunicate
Jan 2019
#60
"He has always been a hands-on campaigner. He has had the people who have had the title of campaign
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#67
"I believe that 'management' is one of the skills we're looking for in a President"
NurseJackie
Jan 2019
#76
I guess economic disparity is OK as long as it's in the service of a noble campaign.
ehrnst
Jan 2019
#95
From what we know there was one person involved from her two campaigns combined, not...
George II
Jan 2019
#146
i kinda sorta remember pictures/videos of some of the followers/surragates...
samnsara
Jan 2019
#162
honestly - sounds about right, and like something 90% of white males I know would say.
electron_blue
Jan 2019
#191