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199. Such massive diversions. Sanders couldn't beat Hillary,

Fri Jan 4, 2019, 06:52 PM

Jan 2019

and Hillary basically won except for the baseless and prolonged attacks on her. There is no excuse for it and there is no defending it. You should stop. But mostly, rehashing these ruminations about Hillary have nothing to to with this thread. This thread is not about Hillary.

This thread is not about Hillary. This thread is about Sanders staffers confronting him about the abuse they endured working on his campaign. We all saw the very hostile Jeff Weaver on TV, and the letter does seem to call him out.

This thread is not about Hillary. I doubt a very hostile and confrontational Jeff Weaver could have convinced the majority of Democrats about much of anything because he was so combative and insulting. That is what the letter is about. This thread is about Sanders knowledge of the problems in his campaign. It’s not about Hillary.

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Sanders says he did not know about sexual harassment allegations during campaign [View all] brooklynite Jan 2019 OP

lol shanny Jan 2019 #1

i agree with your LOL. and that you didn't know Bernie ... REALLY ??? trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #22

What's lol is Elizabeth Warren is like Bernie's twin yet the resentment here onit2day Jan 2019 #26

Elizabeth is Not "BS' twin". Cha Jan 2019 #28

+2 Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #111

Elizabeth is also BlueMTexpat Jan 2019 #160

And, you can tell by her Vid that she's Not "BS' twin".. Cha Jan 2019 #163

Happy New Year to you, Cha! BlueMTexpat Jan 2019 #164

Interesting on how women are defined more by the men they agree with than their own ehrnst Jan 2019 #68

When was Elizabeth Warren's campign accused of having a predatory culture of sexual violence? LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #73

Warren's not Bernie's twin emulatorloo Jan 2019 #109

Yes, and she was the progressive most wanted to run in 2016. brush Jan 2019 #116

Sanders was well known among progressives from years on Thom Hartmann show onit2day Jan 2019 #118

Whatever. Most wanted Warren to run as she was the most visible progressive... brush Jan 2019 #120

Said she was "like" Bernie's twin. Progressive ideas are the same onit2day Jan 2019 #117

Ideas may be the same, however she has a detailed grasp on policy implementation emulatorloo Jan 2019 #140

Nah, you can tell by her Vid where President Obama Cha Jan 2019 #166

Quite! Cha Jan 2019 #165

She is a Democrat Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #141

Wha? George II Jan 2019 #147

"I was unaware my employees were behaving immorally and illegally" isn't much of a defense RockRaven Jan 2019 #2

Especially since the campaign said they addressed the issue and he said tonight.... George II Jan 2019 #3

And, saying he knows nothing about Cha Jan 2019 #10

To be fair unless he had the power to read minds it is more likely than not that he is being honest cstanleytech Jan 2019 #8

He's known for hands on managment of his campaigns ehrnst Jan 2019 #83

That's not proof he was negligent nor does it automatically render him unfit to be President. cstanleytech Jan 2019 #97

I didn't say either. ehrnst Jan 2019 #103

"I was a little bit busy ..." NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #4

That's why Jane said they couldn't release their tax returns, "we're a bit busy, you know." George II Jan 2019 #6

I was just thinking about that very Cha Jan 2019 #12

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #14

He has a rep of being the most trusted member in congress because he is so honest onit2day Jan 2019 #23

Nah.. Cha Jan 2019 #27

Maybe by Lindsey Graham, but he ain't the whole congress. fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #35

Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #47

"I hate watching people make allegations to justify their deep seated resentments." ehrnst Jan 2019 #87

Exactly, the key word being insinuated as it was taken out of context. The rest of onit2day Jan 2019 #122

It's clear that sentence was created as "context" in order to get that unfounded smear in. ehrnst Jan 2019 #123

Sanders Must be a Real Threat to Wall St. McKim Jan 2019 #99

How do you explain that it's his former staffers doing the "attacking?" Are they working ehrnst Jan 2019 #124

Feasting Explained McKim Jan 2019 #133

Who "on this site" is "eager to put down candidates?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #134

He has not announced and God willing he won't . We don't need this stuff. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #142

No answer? ehrnst Jan 2019 #205

You should check his mandatory Senate Personal Financial Disclosure.... George II Jan 2019 #129

Now, what party is that? yardwork Jan 2019 #136

Where has that "rep" been documented, or is it anecdotal? George II Jan 2019 #138

Where did you hear that BS has the reputation of being the most trusted member in Congress? N/T lapucelle Jan 2019 #157

Where and when has Sanders said those things? ProgLibDem Jan 2019 #114

The only one that Nance attributed to him was said during his CNN interview last night. George II Jan 2019 #135

Completely disagree with you assessment as Bernie never acted like that onit2day Jan 2019 #121

I feel that way about HRC. ehrnst Jan 2019 #130

Just like you must not ignore these revelations on Hillary Clinton? Its just news after all LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #158

These false equivalencies are desperate. The letter talks R B Garr Jan 2019 #195

divisive? I would never start an OP using my post above. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #196

It's not hypocrisy to talk about current news. Your umbrage R B Garr Jan 2019 #197

You use 'alternative facts' to back up your onslought. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #198

Such massive diversions. Sanders couldn't beat Hillary, R B Garr Jan 2019 #199

Yawn LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #200

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #5

Can you fix that link please? Thanks. George II Jan 2019 #7

Sorry, the link is fixed now. CentralMass Jan 2019 #19

Yep... it definitely appears to be fixed. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #139

And.... cue the attacks on Hillary and Kamala Harris obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #52

I think many who posted similar problems on their campaigns are speaking of how common karynnj Jan 2019 #81

So what does his time as mayor have to do with the article? This was not his or Tad's 1st campaign. ehrnst Jan 2019 #92

The OP spoke of "managerial skills" karynnj Jan 2019 #96

Was HRC's explanation "I didn't know anything about it?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #98

Is it better to know and keep him on the campaign? karynnj Jan 2019 #102

Are there 2008 HRC campaign alum that felt a need to meet with her campaign staff ehrnst Jan 2019 #106

The letter is not about an individual or isolated cases. lapucelle Jan 2019 #170

Well said karynnj Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #113

"predatory culture"... lapucelle Jan 2019 #168

Your "everybody does it" defense is laughable considering R B Garr Jan 2019 #167

Or not knowing when a top aide has settled a sexual harassment claim for $400k with taxpayer dollars BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #31

Whataboutism mcar Jan 2019 #70

Hypocrisy BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #72

Whataboutism is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to ehrnst Jan 2019 #85

Nobody is defending harassment anywhere BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #89

So you can't state where anyone here has been hippocritical. ehrnst Jan 2019 #91

I'm sure the anti-Sanders crowd will hold their preferred candidates to the same standards BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #93

But you can't show that happening anywhere here. ehrnst Jan 2019 #94

The corollary being just as valid LanternWaste Jan 2019 #112

... ehrnst Jan 2019 #131

Did she or Bill then invite him to a conference their Institute was having? ehrnst Jan 2019 #132

Not accurate. Her successor handled this... Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #143

The CA DOJ had paperwork on this complaint in Oct. 2016 BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #148

Hillary dealt with it. Corporate media is not our allies. Dodge the brain worms from them. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #37

Thank you. That was better than being shielded from knowledge of it for plausible deniability ehrnst Jan 2019 #63

Amen!!!!! McKim Jan 2019 #104

You don't consider harassment to be an issue? Since when are his own 2016 staff "trolls" ehrnst Jan 2019 #127

#WhatAbout Bernie and his Bro's ? stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #55

OMG, we didn't just go there? watoos Jan 2019 #74

lol i have Bernie Bros ! in my own fam�i�ly ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #108

I can't stand Tulsi Gabbard and neither can most Democrats. yardwork Jan 2019 #137

They sure lost their accents, then... (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #184

How so? ehrnst Jan 2019 #62

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #9

#WhatAboutism! Any comment on BS Not Cha Jan 2019 #13

Whataboutism? HA! SixString Jan 2019 #18

One person does not constitute a "culture of sexual violence and harassment". George II Jan 2019 #16

this thread IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY. Shame on you trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #24

They are attacking Kamala Harris upthread obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #53

THAT'S HIS ANSWER??? Maven Jan 2019 #11

Yeah, he thinks it works for him. Cha Jan 2019 #20

He has the best excuses in the whole darn world. 4now Jan 2019 #15

Bazinga! George II Jan 2019 #17

lol.. the whole Universe! Cha Jan 2019 #21

He doesn't offer excuses. He gives explanations. Know the difference? onit2day Jan 2019 #25

This isn't an explanation. He hasn't told us how it was possible he was in the dark; pnwmom Jan 2019 #30

He also offers up the best explanations in the whole darn world 4now Jan 2019 #33

lol Cha Jan 2019 #34

When one says one "doesn't know" about something that one could reasonably be expected ehrnst Jan 2019 #86

Where was the bottleneck? How is it possible that with such a "pervasive" problem, pnwmom Jan 2019 #29

Well let's just Al Franken him and be done with it. bluedigger Jan 2019 #32

Sanders on Al Franken.. Cha Jan 2019 #36

Why do I find his statement ironic? nt fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #38

Because it is. Cha Jan 2019 #39

Yes, yes it is. fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #40

Happy Blue Year! Cha Jan 2019 #42

Tsk, tsk, tsk! Nothing about a fair hearing or investigation. Not good. brush Jan 2019 #43

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #88

Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #48

Hillary's record of handling sexual harrassment gyroscope Jan 2019 #41

She dealt with it. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #44

#WhatABoutism! But, at least Hillary knew Cha Jan 2019 #45

dealt with it... by leaving him on the campaign because she felt that she needed him irresistable Jan 2019 #107

She sent him to rehab after stopping the harassment...and fired him ultimately. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #144

By has 2 year terms for governor karynnj Jan 2019 #171

Why would you assume that? A Republican has been elected twice now. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #188

I live in Vermont karynnj Jan 2019 #189

Yet, the GOP governor won in 18...sorry we can't count on that. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #190

It is also possible that because - like MA - they have a veto proof karynnj Jan 2019 #201

Yeah, she dealt with it. Cha Jan 2019 #151

#WhatAbout Bernie ? stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #56

She actually dealt directly with it. Pence and others hide behind "plausible deniability." ehrnst Jan 2019 #64

Whataboutism mcar Jan 2019 #71

When all else fails.... ehrnst Jan 2019 #101

That's a "record"? That's one incident between one offender and a victim, and the victim... George II Jan 2019 #149

It looks like a possible run for nomination is being tamped down GreydeeThos Jan 2019 #46

1% are scared to death RandiFan1290 Jan 2019 #49

Am I to understand that "the 1%" tree scared of Sanders especially? brooklynite Jan 2019 #69

Talk to BS' campaign staffers about that.. Cha Jan 2019 #51

This was 'brought to light' two years after it occurred. GreydeeThos Jan 2019 #150

Yes.. Finally Brought to Light! Cha Jan 2019 #153

Three words. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #154

It was first brought to light in March 2017. lapucelle Jan 2019 #172

lolz obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #54

You are the one talking about lying GreydeeThos Jan 2019 #152

Allegations surfaced, and the LA Times started reporting the story in late March 2017. lapucelle Jan 2019 #175

"The professional left?" Who is that? Bernie's 2016 staffers? ehrnst Jan 2019 #183

Who are The powers that be ? stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #57

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #155

The powers that be MADE his former campaign staff come forward with a complaint? brooklynite Jan 2019 #59

I don't think they were "MADE" to come forward GreydeeThos Jan 2019 #156

The letter was written last week. brooklynite Jan 2019 #169

The LA Times reported allegations in April 2017. lapucelle Jan 2019 #173

By whom? And how did they get his 2016 staffers to go along, if they weren't going to otherwise? ehrnst Jan 2019 #180

Are you saying that his own former staffers are trying to tamp down his candidacy? ehrnst Jan 2019 #90

I think the staffers are being organized and directed by a professional political operative GreydeeThos Jan 2019 #161

So what are you implying about his 2016 staffers? Or the campaign that hire them in the first place? ehrnst Jan 2019 #179

Where's your proof to make such Cha Jan 2019 #192

No answer? ehrnst Jan 2019 #193

You "think"? George II Jan 2019 #194

Do you mean that silly conspiracy theory that Teh Establishment Democrats are "orchestrating" it? betsuni Jan 2019 #203

lol ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #204

I have seen no polls that indicate Sanders is a favored candidate...the ones I see Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #145

Only idiots support a candidate based on popularity polls GreydeeThos Jan 2019 #159

You still haven't stated who "the powers that be" are. ehrnst Jan 2019 #181

"I was unaware my employees were behaving immorally and illegally" -- really? obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author aeromanKC Jan 2019 #58

So, the monkey wrenching begins again...and folks fall right into line with the FailureToCommunicate Jan 2019 #60

Exactly. It's even from The Hill. I keep wondering ms liberty Jan 2019 #66

...and in Time, CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC..... brooklynite Jan 2019 #82

Yea they are, as they should be if there is a legitimate news story ms liberty Jan 2019 #128

The New York Times, CNN, Newsweek, The LA Times, Time magazine, & WaPo lapucelle Jan 2019 #174

I refer you to my post #128 ms liberty Jan 2019 #177

I refer you to CNN, NYT, WaPo, Newsweek, the LA Times, and Time. lapucelle Jan 2019 #178

Why would Sanders 2016 staffers "play" the public? This makes no sense. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #182

I did not say they were. ms liberty Jan 2019 #185

So they are "being played?" And baited by whom? ehrnst Jan 2019 #186

Are you saying Bernie's former staffers are working for the GOP and Putin? ehrnst Jan 2019 #100

No answer? ehrnst Jan 2019 #126

Sanders says he did not know ? Bullshit ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #61

Sanders wouldn't endorse Carmona when Carmona ran for office himself in 2016. ehrnst Jan 2019 #65

And, so say these women.. Cha Jan 2019 #202

"He has always been a hands-on campaigner. He has had the people who have had the title of campaign ehrnst Jan 2019 #67

Fox News can pick up some talking points from this thread. watoos Jan 2019 #75

"I believe that 'management' is one of the skills we're looking for in a President" NurseJackie Jan 2019 #76

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #79

So far, the stock responses seem to be: LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #77

He was too busy. Cha Jan 2019 #78

Bravo... Way to stand up and own it, big guy. Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #80

I guess economic disparity is OK as long as it's in the service of a noble campaign. ehrnst Jan 2019 #95

He and his whole campaign hates woman...... getagrip_already Jan 2019 #84

Sexual harassment of women is a human problem vlyons Jan 2019 #105

But it's not inevitable. HRC managed to learn from the 2008 campaign ehrnst Jan 2019 #125

From what we know there was one person involved from her two campaigns combined, not... George II Jan 2019 #146

Oh, No!!! DarthDem Jan 2019 #110

Sanders supporters banned from Tinder after campaigning on dating app TomCADem Jan 2019 #115

Is "I didn't know ... FrankBooth Jan 2019 #119

i kinda sorta remember pictures/videos of some of the followers/surragates... samnsara Jan 2019 #162

Nothing Smug About that Reply dlk Jan 2019 #176

Sexism Claims From Bernie Sanders's 2016 Run: Paid Less, Treated Worse Gothmog Jan 2019 #187

honestly - sounds about right, and like something 90% of white males I know would say. electron_blue Jan 2019 #191