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Igel

(37,543 posts)
11. No, it's not slavery.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:47 PM
Jan 2019

The workers are within their rights to refuse to work.

What they can't do is refuse to work and have any expectation of keeping their job. It's like any other job. Take mine, for instance. I refuse to go to work for a week and I'm very likely not going to be going to that job again the following week.

Slaves didn't have that option. Those in any kind of servitude couldn't just walk away, with the punishment being that they wouldn't be allowed to just return and resume their duties. Hyperbole may be a Trumpian rhetorical ploy, but he doesn't have a monopoly on it.

The law apparently is old, from just post-WWII, and is there to prevent striking. There were lots of strikes just after the war. If they don't to go work to protest not getting paid, that's not going to work in protest of a grievance. What's a strike? Not going to work in protest of a grievance.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/shutdown-federal-workers-cant-strike/579793/ seems not unreasonable.

It could be worse. When the steel mill my parents worked for had forced shutdowns--often for lack of orders, and for anywhere from 1 to 2 weeks at a time, they'd take advantage of the time to do required yearly preventive maintenance. The union was getting close to being on the ropes. The "deal" that was "negotiated" for these shutdowns was straightforward. When the mill shut down for however long it was shut down, whatever time of year it shut down, that constituted part of the employees' annual vacation. You get 4 weeks' vacation and the mill's shut down for two weeks in February, you have 2 weeks left. If you took all 4 early in the year and the mill shut down in November for two weeks, you get 2 weeks' vacation the following year.

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This ruling was a foregone conclusion Loki Liesmith Jan 2019 #1
If they are deemed essential, then they can't be furloughed, so they should remain on payroll. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #36
That a federal judge forces govt employees to work unpaid legalizes serfdom. It should be appealed. ancianita Jan 2019 #2
They're going to be paid, the question is when. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2019 #7
Anything can/cannot happen. Mitch McConnell's desperate. The drum will beat for Dems to cave. ancianita Jan 2019 #8
My Repugnat Glen Grothman says he's against make-up pay LakeArenal Jan 2019 #24
There's a difference beween people that have worked during the shutdown and people that didn't. PoliticAverse Jan 2019 #27
There is a bill at Trump now (S.24) for backpay for all feds. NutmegYankee Jan 2019 #38
The House passed a different bill than the Senate one BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #39
It was the same bill. NutmegYankee Jan 2019 #40
Okay but this was also announced BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #41
That's not guaranteed!!! atreides1 Jan 2019 #51
Trump signed the law guaranteeing back pay today... PoliticAverse Jan 2019 #58
Is Judge Leon buying them gasoline and lunch? KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #3
The real goal is to drive out government employees. To shrink government services for us all. ancianita Jan 2019 #6
Exactly, and that's why they did anything possible to win control.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #12
Koch networks have been eating this elephant (govt), one bite at a time, for a long damn time. ancianita Jan 2019 #14
This cannot stand. The "chaos" was caused by Trump, not these workers. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #4
It's also untenable because it's contrary to the law Major Nikon Jan 2019 #19
I agree. nt SunSeeker Jan 2019 #23
Obscene and unconstitutional. GeorgeGist Jan 2019 #5
So unfair and abhorrent. C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #9
So grocery stores can't refuse an IOU when there workers go shopping? nt mastermind Jan 2019 #10
No, it's not slavery. Igel Jan 2019 #11
But an employer that allows you to work ("forces" you) without compensation exboyfil Jan 2019 #13
Exactly. This is slow firing by lockout. ancianita Jan 2019 #15
I get paid once a month. I know contractors who don't get paid for some work they do onenote Jan 2019 #42
"Would incite chaos..." EarthFirst Jan 2019 #16
That's exactly what I thought. LuvNewcastle Jan 2019 #44
EVERY air traffic controller should tell them to Stuff It. Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2019 #17
They tried that once Major Nikon Jan 2019 #20
When ? Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2019 #25
Had 2 family members screwed by Raygun burrowowl Jan 2019 #29
August 3, 1981 Major Nikon Jan 2019 #30
It didn't work out so well. Reagan fired all the controllers, hired a new crop of people, and LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #43
You have your facts wrong. marybourg Jan 2019 #53
This is a bs ruling, watoos Jan 2019 #18
13th amendment IronLionZion Jan 2019 #21
federal workers should start by taking over trumps properties rdking647 Jan 2019 #22
Holy God... Wikipedia is amazing! zaj Jan 2019 #26
Gotta love it. JudyM Jan 2019 #47
Judge drawing paycheck says working without pay no big deal. unblock Jan 2019 #28
+1000 alwaysinasnit Jan 2019 #34
This needs to be appealed to the SC, and for those whose bill collectors will not accept IOUs they still_one Jan 2019 #31
Earth to Federal Judge: Working for FREE does NOT pay the bills. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #32
Under 45, slavery is back. Indentured servitude. truthisfreedom Jan 2019 #33
Good luck thinking that'll work out duforsure Jan 2019 #35
If I were them, I would go to work but I would LuvNewcastle Jan 2019 #45
Work to rule Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #37
I imagine they're still allowed to resign though. Vinca Jan 2019 #46
Fuck that LittleGirl Jan 2019 #48
They have to get permission from their federal job for any outside employment as well madville Jan 2019 #49
I was in a union at a private company. Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #50
But some can sloooooow down the work they do. Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #52
The judge is clearly partisan. Firestorm49 Jan 2019 #54
Slow down! WVlaserguy Jan 2019 #55
Congress, the president & his administration, & SCOTUS CrispyQ Jan 2019 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jan 2019 #57
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