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8. Was the US bombing of Japan after they had surrendered necessary?

Mon Sep 10, 2012, 03:59 PM

Sep 2012

Chomsky talks about it at the 1:50 mark in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=vKZIooIPaFY

This would indicate that US was motivated to drop the nukes by something other than simply ending the war - a show of power.

"War is HELL! Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollahs do not seem to understand that": now that's a truly bizarre statement considering that Iran is not a war-mongering nation, and the US and Israel are.

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Hiroshima survivors in Israel, hold nuke protest [View all] Judi Lynn Sep 2012 OP

How anyone can take calls for Iran to cease its nuclear program... harmonicon Sep 2012 #1

well I've seen it justified like this azurnoir Sep 2012 #3

Iran Doesn't Need Nukes..... liberallibral Sep 2012 #4

always better them than us huh? azurnoir Sep 2012 #5

As DEMOCRAT Harry Truman would tell you (along with our US TROOPS).... liberallibral Sep 2012 #11

Holocaust survivors are different from those who survived Hiroshima in your book? azurnoir Sep 2012 #13

erm nothing to do with race or ethnic background but the holocaust was against people who didnt atta loli phabay Sep 2012 #14

BINGO!!! liberallibral Sep 2012 #25

ummm hmmm ? azurnoir Sep 2012 #27

Timing rl6214 Sep 2012 #46

you mean the first recorded test which was about 2 months azurnoir Sep 2012 #49

no idea what your logic is here, they hadnt tested the bomb but they should ahve used it earlier on loli phabay Sep 2012 #68

Interesting you would make such an accusation that I hate the Germans azurnoir Sep 2012 #71

reread it was tongue in cheek as you keep saying we should have nuked berlin loli phabay Sep 2012 #72

you mean like Berlin? why did we nuke Hiroshima which BTW was an open city much like Dresden azurnoir Sep 2012 #26

probuably cause berlin was about to fall and the proximity of allied troops loli phabay Sep 2012 #36

no however Japan would have fallen regardless azurnoir Sep 2012 #40

mayby mayby not, they could still have carried out kamikaze attacks on shipping etc loli phabay Sep 2012 #41

The first atom bomb was tested on July 16, 1945 rl6214 Sep 2012 #48

yes I know but mean we are to believe there was absolutely no bomb prior to that? azurnoir Sep 2012 #50

but there was also millions of allied soldiers on the outskirts of berlin, and the majority of germa loli phabay Sep 2012 #53

and what was the point of nukeing s a country that was completely geographically isolated ? azurnoir Sep 2012 #56

yup the thought of a million of your own casualties when you had to hit the beaches. loli phabay Sep 2012 #58

however as I already stated invasion was not necessary to defeat Japan azurnoir Sep 2012 #61

A siege would not have worked rl6214 Sep 2012 #64

yup they had been husbanding their aircraft to use as kamikazes for the beaches or blockade loli phabay Sep 2012 #66

The Kamikazes were winding down by June of 1945 Japan was running low on planes and munitions azurnoir Sep 2012 #75

i disagree, though i hate wiki a good read is Operation Ketsugo according to the info there japan st loli phabay Sep 2012 #78

Russia never communicated those overtures Confusious Sep 2012 #65

well if as you state Japan had been stockpiling equipment then wouldn't that be a target? azurnoir Sep 2012 #73

you need to go do some reading, at the surrender japan still had thousands of aircraft loli phabay Sep 2012 #74

I have been doing some reading azurnoir Sep 2012 #77

you do know a million people with sharp sticks could still do a lot of damage loli phabay Sep 2012 #79

I said they did didn't I? Confusious Sep 2012 #76

Was the US bombing of Japan after they had surrendered necessary? cpwm17 Sep 2012 #8

Riiiiiiiight.... liberallibral Sep 2012 #10

Give me a link to your claim that Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" cpwm17 Sep 2012 #31

japanese surrendered on August 15th, hiroshima August 6th, nagasaki August 9th loli phabay Sep 2012 #15

Yes sure they aren't war-mongering Missycim Sep 2012 #20

Hezbollah was formed to end Israel's occupation of southern Lebanon cpwm17 Sep 2012 #32

what?? Confusious Sep 2012 #67

I don't know you at all, and I don't want this to seem like a personal attack, BUT... harmonicon Sep 2012 #12

Iran's Khamenei Calls for 'Nuclear Free Middle East' polly7 Sep 2012 #18

Thank you for this. Very interesting. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2012 #19

So while they are making a bomb Missycim Sep 2012 #21

Yes, I do believe it, and no ...... I don't believe they are making a bomb. polly7 Sep 2012 #24

Then if their nuclear program is so peaceful Missycim Sep 2012 #29

You answer this, since you think the IAEA's monitoring of Iran's nuclear program has been polly7 Sep 2012 #30

Well I hope to god you are right Missycim Sep 2012 #33

Brown people aren't suppose to have nukes. JRLeft Sep 2012 #2

Pakistan and India have them Missycim Sep 2012 #22

First off Iran and Israel are not neighbors azurnoir Sep 2012 #28

well they are neighbours in the sense of there being proxies next door loli phabay Sep 2012 #37

Have you ever heard of the MAD doctrine? azurnoir Sep 2012 #38

and yet it seems that Israel has managed to not nuke Iran, funny that loli phabay Sep 2012 #39

and no has said they will my point was that at this point in time azurnoir Sep 2012 #42

I tqke the guys at their word when they talk of destroying Israel it seems we had another madman loli phabay Sep 2012 #43

so you are comparing Nazi Germany to Iran ? azurnoir Sep 2012 #44

i think you need to reread what i wrote, but at least you understood who i was talking about loli phabay Sep 2012 #47

Really you failed to answer my question why in your opinion would MAD not work where Iran is concern azurnoir Sep 2012 #51

I would say both sets of leaders talk of wiping out a certain groups of people loli phabay Sep 2012 #52

you did not answer as to why MAD would not work where Iran is concerned azurnoir Sep 2012 #54

I also heard theres no gay people in Iran either straight from the leaders mouths loli phabay Sep 2012 #57

you still did not answer why the you seem to believe the MAD doctrine azurnoir Sep 2012 #59

i think ive answered it a few times, again i trust them when they say they will wipe out Israel loli phabay Sep 2012 #60

The MAD doctrine is why however you seem to beleive Iran to be suicidal why? n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #62

once again i take the guy at his word, same as we should have done 70 years ago loli phabay Sep 2012 #63

More like radical theocracies shouldn't have nukes 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #34

yup i dont get people not believing these guys when they say they will destroy israel loli phabay Sep 2012 #55

I look forward to their protests in Tehran and DC. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #6

i think the Tehran protest will be the most interesting, loli phabay Sep 2012 #17

Don't be silly. If they protested in Tehran they'd face violence and repression 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #35

Good for them..but Boston Herald reporting is inaccurate. sdfernando Sep 2012 #7

yup it was three weeks or so later they surrendered. loli phabay Sep 2012 #16

Formal surrender ( 3 weeks later ) Confusious Sep 2012 #69

yup i got my dates mixed up, thanks loli phabay Sep 2012 #70

NO nukes in the ME is better than some having nukes Cynicus Emeritus Sep 2012 #9

So whats going to stop the hordes of tanks and soilders Missycim Sep 2012 #23

Shouldn't they be protesting in Tehran? rl6214 Sep 2012 #45