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In reply to the discussion: Hiroshima survivors in Israel, hold nuke protest [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)30. You answer this, since you think the IAEA's monitoring of Iran's nuclear program has been
so lacking.
"Yet, after 33 years, or twice as long as it took anyone else to make such bombs, Iran still has none. Why?":
The incontrovertible evidence is that Iran has a highly educated, technical, and capable population, military, and social infrastructure. It ranks 17th in the world in regards to Purchasing Power Parity (PPP; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran ). Iran has many universities and technical colleges with thousands of graduates per annum. It has the largest auto manufacturers of the Middle East. It has ship yards and steel mills. Vast indigenously staffed oil and gas wells and refineries and petrochemical plants for domestic production as well as export. It has orbital rocket and satellite design and manufacturing facilities. It builds its own dams and hydro electricity machinery and power stations and is the biggest exporter of electrical energy in the Middle East. It has an extensive medical research and development and pharmaceutical industry. It builds and maintains an extensive modern roads, railways and travel network. It has a variety of agricultural produce and processing facilities. It has its own aircraft manufacturing factories. Its own military manufacturing industry, including missiles, jet fighters, helicopters, destroyers and submarines. Furthermore, it has uranium mines and enrichment and processing plants, as well as nuclear research reactors for the past 45 years (since 1967). And that list is merely a synopsis. Iran has recently been ranked as third among industrial developing countries, after China and India [11].
So the possibility of ineptitude allowing a 33 year hiatus in making an atomic bomb is obviously unfounded. So what remains?
The only possibility is that Iran does NOT want atomic weapons. It is simply not interested in them, and as Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has declared; they are an immoral abomination and against Gods Law. Indeed, Iran is the only country to have declared atomic weapons absolutely illegal. Fatwas (binding religious decrees) have been issued against their manufacture or use (2003, 2005, 2011). Ayatollah Khamenei repeated his edict most recently at the Non Aligned Movement conference in Tehran.
So the possibility of ineptitude allowing a 33 year hiatus in making an atomic bomb is obviously unfounded. So what remains?
The only possibility is that Iran does NOT want atomic weapons. It is simply not interested in them, and as Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has declared; they are an immoral abomination and against Gods Law. Indeed, Iran is the only country to have declared atomic weapons absolutely illegal. Fatwas (binding religious decrees) have been issued against their manufacture or use (2003, 2005, 2011). Ayatollah Khamenei repeated his edict most recently at the Non Aligned Movement conference in Tehran.
http://www.zcommunications.org/lies-and-double-standards-regarding-iran-s-nuclear-program-by-sam-nejad
I hate this fucking warmongering with a passion. It's exactly the same bullshit that was trotted out to decimate the lives of millions in Iraq, and it's sickening.
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Holocaust survivors are different from those who survived Hiroshima in your book?
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#13
erm nothing to do with race or ethnic background but the holocaust was against people who didnt atta
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#14
no idea what your logic is here, they hadnt tested the bomb but they should ahve used it earlier on
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#68
reread it was tongue in cheek as you keep saying we should have nuked berlin
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#72
you mean like Berlin? why did we nuke Hiroshima which BTW was an open city much like Dresden
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#26
probuably cause berlin was about to fall and the proximity of allied troops
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#36
mayby mayby not, they could still have carried out kamikaze attacks on shipping etc
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#41
yes I know but mean we are to believe there was absolutely no bomb prior to that?
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#50
but there was also millions of allied soldiers on the outskirts of berlin, and the majority of germa
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#53
and what was the point of nukeing s a country that was completely geographically isolated ?
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#56
yup the thought of a million of your own casualties when you had to hit the beaches.
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#58
yup they had been husbanding their aircraft to use as kamikazes for the beaches or blockade
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#66
The Kamikazes were winding down by June of 1945 Japan was running low on planes and munitions
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#75
i disagree, though i hate wiki a good read is Operation Ketsugo according to the info there japan st
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#78
well if as you state Japan had been stockpiling equipment then wouldn't that be a target?
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#73
you need to go do some reading, at the surrender japan still had thousands of aircraft
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#74
you do know a million people with sharp sticks could still do a lot of damage
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#79
japanese surrendered on August 15th, hiroshima August 6th, nagasaki August 9th
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#15
I don't know you at all, and I don't want this to seem like a personal attack, BUT...
harmonicon
Sep 2012
#12
You answer this, since you think the IAEA's monitoring of Iran's nuclear program has been
polly7
Sep 2012
#30
I tqke the guys at their word when they talk of destroying Israel it seems we had another madman
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#43
i think you need to reread what i wrote, but at least you understood who i was talking about
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#47
Really you failed to answer my question why in your opinion would MAD not work where Iran is concern
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#51
I would say both sets of leaders talk of wiping out a certain groups of people
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#52
I also heard theres no gay people in Iran either straight from the leaders mouths
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#57
i think ive answered it a few times, again i trust them when they say they will wipe out Israel
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#60
The MAD doctrine is why however you seem to beleive Iran to be suicidal why? n/t
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#62
once again i take the guy at his word, same as we should have done 70 years ago
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#63
yup i dont get people not believing these guys when they say they will destroy israel
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#55
Don't be silly. If they protested in Tehran they'd face violence and repression
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#35