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rayofreason

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88. Kaliningrad...

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:15 AM

Sep 2012

...is only one piece of land that changed hands. The USSR grabbed a slice of Poland (the part they got when they negotiated with the Nazis) and then gave the new Poland a slice of Germany. There were mass migrations/deportations. Today we do not have permanent "refugee" camps in Germany staffed by the UN, or suicide bombers trying to take back Koeningsburg. I guess the people of central Europe decide to get over it and look forward, not back.

Germany launched a war and lost. There were consequences. Territory changes hands sometimes because of such consequences. This has always been true and likely always will be true. Sometimes the initiator of the war gains. The Balkan League did so in 1912. Nowadays that kind of behavior is frowned upon. But if you start a war and lose, most people will still say you have to take your lumps.

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White House declines Netanyahu request to meet with Obama [View all] DonViejo Sep 2012 OP

He shouldn't have criticized the US Thrill Sep 2012 #1

So foreign leaders are not allowed to criticize us anymore? totodeinhere Sep 2012 #24

Know whats bad precedent? Thrill Sep 2012 #30

"Foreign leaders injecting themselves into US presidential elections" is an old totodeinhere Sep 2012 #38

Churchill "actively campaigned for FDR in 1940"? thucythucy Sep 2012 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #87

+1000 Katashi_itto Sep 2012 #95

No, only the ones taking so much from us. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #33

That would be almost all of them. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2012 #36

What are you talking about? We don't roll out the red carpet when people shit on us, is all. MADem Sep 2012 #45

Foreign leaders that bite the hand that feeds them deserve to be shunned Suji to Seoul Sep 2012 #86

Damn straight! He wants to play that game. Hopefully he is out of luck getting a meeting Katashi_itto Sep 2012 #96

I agree whole heartedly texshelters Sep 2012 #109

If anyone criticizes us we should burn down their consolates 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #107

You can read this Reuters article at the following link without registering... Purveyor Sep 2012 #2

The White House is anti-Semetic Ezlivin Sep 2012 #3

You know there is a way to get Netty's attention. Do you know how they get the balls off a calf southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #17

A bit harsh, that--just make noises about cutting the foreign aid/military sales, and that should MADem Sep 2012 #46

I know its harsh and I know it isn't going to happen. Light up I was only joking. southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #72

time to cut bait Dkc05 Sep 2012 #40

I think Netanyahu just might have pissed off a few people in the White House. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #4

finally. the tail no longer wags the dog. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2012 #5

Bibi blew it a long time ago. Panasonic Sep 2012 #8

true. quite true. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2012 #11

My thinking exactly! nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #18

"if he is seen meddling in our politics, people will NOT take kindly to that," former9thward Sep 2012 #21

"where they can build housing for their population" R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #25

If they are outside of Israel then I'm sure that country will take care of it. former9thward Sep 2012 #29

Occupied people seek voice from the world. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #35

"I don't know what that country is." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #41

Is that your declaration or does any country in the world recognize "Palestine"? former9thward Sep 2012 #43

Israel certainly doesn't recognize Palestine, and that is sad. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #59

When you fight wars and lose them shit happens. former9thward Sep 2012 #65

Germany and Japan are now free Democratic societies Ash_F Sep 2012 #68

You are writing to a partisan on the subject. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #71

Maybe there is still hope for him yet. Ash_F Sep 2012 #73

There is always hope. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #74

Oh what a lovely picture you paint of post war Germany and Japan. former9thward Sep 2012 #102

The allies worked from the beginning to get axis nations back on their feet... Ash_F Sep 2012 #111

And yet illegal Israeli settlements still exist on Palestinian lands. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #113

I exprected the spin and you didn't fail in the delivery. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #69

google "Kaliningrad" n/t rayofreason Sep 2012 #83

Are you suggesting that the Israelis R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #84

Kaliningrad... rayofreason Sep 2012 #88

but there is the magic word they negotiated with the Germans who gave it up willingly azurnoir Sep 2012 #90

"Germans...gave it up willingly" You have got to be joking/smoking. n/t rayofreason Sep 2012 #100

But the Palestinians are basically trapped where they are. Ash_F Sep 2012 #94

In 1948... rayofreason Sep 2012 #99

Until <blank>, there will be no peace. <- a common right-wing line Ash_F Sep 2012 #112

And the repeated lumps are that "illegal" settlements appear on Palestinian lands? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #106

If you believe the total BS in your post cpwm17 Sep 2012 #81

Same old repeated lies about the "Palestinians [being] pawns of the Arabs." The Stranger Sep 2012 #91

The rest of the world knows it as the occupied territories. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #61

Really? former9thward Sep 2012 #63

130 countries recognize Palestine as a state. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #115

I wonder where the capital is? former9thward Sep 2012 #116

So you then support a "one state solution?" cpwm17 Sep 2012 #42

The Palestinians do not recognize the right of Israel to exist. former9thward Sep 2012 #44

why should they Dkc05 Sep 2012 #51

Well they don't have to. former9thward Sep 2012 #54

Whst is your stake in this? Harry_Scrote Sep 2012 #80

The state of Israel pays me $1000 for every post I do on DU. former9thward Sep 2012 #104

Chicken and Egg Ash_F Sep 2012 #62

It is already one state cpwm17 Sep 2012 #82

Yes--that "Palestinian Army" that the Palestinians don't have will take care of it. MADem Sep 2012 #47

Jimmy Carter deviated from either party's position on Israel long ago. former9thward Sep 2012 #52

His efforts were a foundation, not a conclusion. nt MADem Sep 2012 #77

He who pays the piper calls the tune? hedgehog Sep 2012 #26

Then I am sure you will have no problem having China dictate our policies. former9thward Sep 2012 #28

We can just print hundreds of billions and pay them back if they insist--don't think they'd go for MADem Sep 2012 #48

Oh I think they do lead it. former9thward Sep 2012 #53

Silent? Really? Perhaps you aren't listening. MADem Sep 2012 #79

Wow what an expertly crafted statement... Ash_F Sep 2012 #55

I lost count of the strawmen in your post. former9thward Sep 2012 #58

I am not anti-Israel, I am anti right-wing ideaology. Ash_F Sep 2012 #64

I agree, and we shouldn't be giving them any aid either.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #98

I would have no problem cutting aid to Israel all the other countries in the region. former9thward Sep 2012 #105

Wow, I never expected to see a supporter of GENOCIDE on DU. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #57

Supporter of Israel is now equal to genocide. former9thward Sep 2012 #60

You support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their own land... Odin2005 Sep 2012 #75

The US is not sanctioning nor threatening Israel. David__77 Sep 2012 #70

The White House did NOT decline the meeting - there is a confict in schedules. Big difference! n/t Tx4obama Sep 2012 #6

But this is the spin that the RW wants to push to turn off the Jewish vote for Obama. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #37

Not being fooled, they'll go at least 80% Dem /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #56

Good, finally a president who will stand up to this thug tularetom Sep 2012 #7

The story is wrong leftynyc Sep 2012 #10

No the story is right Obama will not be meeting Netanyahu but one of Obama's 'underlings' will azurnoir Sep 2012 #22

The implication of the story is WRONG leftynyc Sep 2012 #93

yes the White house is now denying that there was a request for a meeting azurnoir Sep 2012 #97

The Mini-Mayor of Teheran has plenty to atone for, though I doubt he'll use the opportunity! nt MADem Sep 2012 #49

Why does Obama hate the Jews???? JoePhilly Sep 2012 #9

Cut all military (WELFARE) payments to Israel. penndragon69 Sep 2012 #12

I'm afraid too many people do not understand that personality type! So they don't believe you. patrice Sep 2012 #14

Nice thought but DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #16

Saudi Arabia plays a "both sides against the middle" game MADem Sep 2012 #50

Watch Congress continue to approve more support than we give to the entire continent of Africa. nt patrice Sep 2012 #13

Not true! Nancy Waterman Sep 2012 #15

The meeting will happen. iandhr Sep 2012 #19

who will in your opinion "saving face" and why? n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #23

Bibi will try to save face with the President. iandhr Sep 2012 #76

Bibi seems to have placed his eggs in Rmoneys basket azurnoir Sep 2012 #89

Netanyahu will not be at the UN the same day Obama will be. Tx4obama Sep 2012 #20

Just made NBC Nightly and it is about all rw hateradio are talking about this evening. Now I wonder Purveyor Sep 2012 #27

Tell me bibi didn't do this on purpose so they could put some distance WCGreen Sep 2012 #31

I'm pretty certain of it, indeed. Bastards. eom Purveyor Sep 2012 #34

All Netanyahu is going to do is to make more threats if Obama doesn't attack Iran. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #32

Time for a new friend over there Dkc05 Sep 2012 #39

The hell with Israel. Stop subsidizing them with my tax dollors. Hotler Sep 2012 #66

I totally agree with you, Hotler Carolina Sep 2012 #118

This has already been debunked bluestateguy Sep 2012 #78

New: No meeting requested Tx4obama Sep 2012 #85

So basically JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #101

Another example of how left the media is .99center Sep 2012 #92

Good. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #103

This story is a lie. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #108

Right- Iran and Syria have to be dealt with also underpants Sep 2012 #120

Good on Obama! lanlady Sep 2012 #110

This was a Political stunt.......... SILVER__FOX52 Sep 2012 #114

About Bloody Time! Hab Habit Sep 2012 #117

Good. Now cut off the financial and military aid we give them. Lil Missy Sep 2012 #119