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In reply to the discussion: FLASH: U.S. Ambassador to Libya, 3 Other Embassy Staff Killed in Rocket Attack in Benghazi [View all]rayofreason
(2,259 posts)142. Actually, try this example...
Filmmaker creates film expressing the belief that gay people - all gay people - are inherently subhuman cannibal-rapists. The men depicted in the film spend their time stalking, raping, and then devouring infant boys. They do this of course, because gay people are actually demons, literal shrieking hordes of hell, spit up by Satan in order to punish good Christians for not killing enough of them.
So after the film is released, a group of gay cannibal-rapists, infuriated by the depiction, attack a US consulate kill the Ambassador, then eat him, but are unable to rape him since he has been eaten already.
That would be the parallel. This film did not incite Christians to attack Muslims for their supposed crimes. If fact there have been no Christian riots over this at all. No "good christian soldier" opening fire at the local school's Muslim-Christian alliance meeting. It is Muslims who are rioting and killing. And killing people who have no connection at all to the film.
I wonder how you would feel if Mormon extremists were to bomb a theatre where "The Book of Mormon" was playing? If you have any intellectual consistency you would then be aiming rhetorical missiles at Matt Stone and Trey Parker, complaining about all the money they get to pocket. After all, their production cost far more, is seen by far more people, and is far more effective at undermining a religion than any crude propaganda made by an amateur.
But somehow I suspect that you would be on the side of Stone and Parker, and their right to express their opinions regardless of any insult perceived by Mormons, justified or not. So pardon my skepticism about your position on this thread and its grounding in any intellectual or moral consistency.
So after the film is released, a group of gay cannibal-rapists, infuriated by the depiction, attack a US consulate kill the Ambassador, then eat him, but are unable to rape him since he has been eaten already.
That would be the parallel. This film did not incite Christians to attack Muslims for their supposed crimes. If fact there have been no Christian riots over this at all. No "good christian soldier" opening fire at the local school's Muslim-Christian alliance meeting. It is Muslims who are rioting and killing. And killing people who have no connection at all to the film.
I wonder how you would feel if Mormon extremists were to bomb a theatre where "The Book of Mormon" was playing? If you have any intellectual consistency you would then be aiming rhetorical missiles at Matt Stone and Trey Parker, complaining about all the money they get to pocket. After all, their production cost far more, is seen by far more people, and is far more effective at undermining a religion than any crude propaganda made by an amateur.
But somehow I suspect that you would be on the side of Stone and Parker, and their right to express their opinions regardless of any insult perceived by Mormons, justified or not. So pardon my skepticism about your position on this thread and its grounding in any intellectual or moral consistency.
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FLASH: U.S. Ambassador to Libya, 3 Other Embassy Staff Killed in Rocket Attack in Benghazi [View all]
Hissyspit
Sep 2012
OP
with a dead ambassador the villagers will be calling for retaliation. not good.
TeamPooka
Sep 2012
#4
+1 our ire must be at the people who carried out the killing not some idiot movie maker
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#8
I think we may validly place an amount of responsibility at the feet of both parties
LanternWaste
Sep 2012
#120
not sure if you support the killing of the US ambassador but im sure you will clarify, thanks
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#17
I'm saying it's fucking shameful that the US ALWAYS has an excuse for the bodies it creates
Scootaloo
Sep 2012
#117
well we seem to sit on our hands when it's one of Iran's allies killing his own people
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#110
In theory that is right, but contrary to popular belief, not all countries are democratic, or think
still_one
Sep 2012
#111
if we go by the standards of religious nuts then just about everything would be banned
loli phabay
Sep 2012
#18
However if we go by the standards of intelligent people rather than libertarian fuckwits...
Scootaloo
Sep 2012
#37
I think you meant "a hundred and fifty thousand", not "million" (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#74
If the film maker had reason to believe that bombing would be the result then yes
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#98
sharia law? oh please the film makers admit they knew the film would incite violence
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#106
The responsibility for violence lies with the party committing the violence.
Jester Messiah
Sep 2012
#108
again if I knew that ahead of time and did it anyway then I would have some responsibility
azurnoir
Sep 2012
#114
How about they sue the religious fuckwits who can't abide free speech instead? [nt]
Jester Messiah
Sep 2012
#105
Yes it's clearly his fault these people are ignorant and violence prone
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#123
Michael van Poppel ‏@mpoppel GRAPHIC PHOTO: AFP photo shows man resembling U.S. Ambassador Stevens
Hissyspit
Sep 2012
#12
You need to edit your post to include only 4 paragraphs of the referenced article
CottonBear
Sep 2012
#39
Romney is pissed that President Obama didn't use the opportunity to make them MORE mad. n/t
Ian David
Sep 2012
#76
Repug treason causing another US foreign policy crisis, to mess with US elections, again.
Mc Mike
Sep 2012
#88
Its really notable that NONE of the Arab Spring cheerleaders are on this thread. None.
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#115
I'm so glad we toppled that moderate Gaddhaffi and put a bunch of Muslim extremists in
NoMoreWarNow
Sep 2012
#102