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80. Your original point was wrong. We had a draft, and massive protests for YEARS

Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:49 AM

Feb 2019

and tens of thousands of post-draft deaths before the war effort finally collapsed.

The idea that people would mobilize for massive protests before a war had even started AND that the government would quickly respond is a fantasy that ignores human nature. We knew that back in the 70's and 80's and that's why we pushed to END the draft. Nothing has changed since then, except some people don't remember or are too young to have lived through it.

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With women in combat roles, a federal court rules the male-only draft unconstitutional [View all] madville Feb 2019 OP

This is what Phyllis Schlafly warned us about IronLionZion Feb 2019 #1

Except That Women Still Don't Have Equal Rights dlk Feb 2019 #4

But this was done without the ERA. Sanity Claws Feb 2019 #18

There will be no draft, so it's all very hypothetical. Odoreida Feb 2019 #27

How would it be impossible to enforce? People can be found. brush Feb 2019 #32

You assume a much higher level of general obedience than I do. Odoreida Feb 2019 #34

Nah, been there, done that. Resisted the draft but many didn't. brush Feb 2019 #35

I'm an old draft dodger myself. n/t Odoreida Feb 2019 #57

You are correct. It's by no means "impossible" to enforce. whathehell Feb 2019 #77

Doubtful we'll ever need a draft again. And if we did, i'd bet women would respond. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #2

As long as we continue to put RepubliCONs in the White House, there will always be SFnomad Feb 2019 #8

Not even then Major Nikon Feb 2019 #13

WE NEED A DRAFT! usaf-vet Feb 2019 #15

I've always thought we need a war tax Major Nikon Feb 2019 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2019 #36

and we should also end not_the_one Feb 2019 #40

I agree. We need a draft with NO DEFERMENTS TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #42

I Agree RobinA Feb 2019 #63

That's what we had in the final years of Vietnam -- no deferments. All the young men I knew pnwmom Feb 2019 #75

usaf-vet - You got this exactly right. After the Vietnam War, the military was... EarnestPutz Feb 2019 #44

Yeah, none of the wars since have made the news much at ALL. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #49

I'm Not Sure RobinA Feb 2019 #64

Deferments for college students had ended in 1971. But the war went on for four more years pnwmom Feb 2019 #76

We can't afford a fair draft hack89 Feb 2019 #47

i disagree. Whatever makes the military the strongest is what we should do. And we've got that now. oldsoftie Feb 2019 #48

Well, *IF* we ever have a draft, it should be universal The Mouth Feb 2019 #55

That's Precisely Backwards smb Feb 2019 #56

Without the draft, WWII would have been lost Kaleva Feb 2019 #58

Evidence? smb Feb 2019 #59

Out of 17 million who served in WWII, over 60% were drafted. Kaleva Feb 2019 #68

Evidence! usaf-vet Feb 2019 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author usaf-vet Feb 2019 #61

Yeah, Because RobinA Feb 2019 #65

+1000. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #74

No. I was part of the movement that ENDED the draft. Vietnam would never have gone on pnwmom Feb 2019 #73

My original point "WE NEED A DRAFT" was draft protester would sway the politicians wanting a new war usaf-vet Feb 2019 #79

Your original point was wrong. We had a draft, and massive protests for YEARS pnwmom Feb 2019 #80

I bet there would be widespread disobedience regardless of sex. n/t Odoreida Feb 2019 #28

I would also love to see language included that stated... Javaman Feb 2019 #3

I think it would need to be modified to be at all fair lostnfound Feb 2019 #5

Agree. Women face risks and consequences men never will. lilactime Feb 2019 #37

Good, imo Oneironaut Feb 2019 #6

While women should be included in the selective service registration... nycbos Feb 2019 #7

Wasn't draft registration already in place... B Stieg Feb 2019 #9

Only males TimeToGo Feb 2019 #11

If you don't register, you are also excluded from ever getting federal employment Major Nikon Feb 2019 #14

So now women can be drafted, but the Constitution still doesn't recognize women as equal. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Major Nikon Feb 2019 #16

I know. But the implication is that drafts must now include women to be Constitutional. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Major Nikon Feb 2019 #22

I am correct. There is nothing stopping Congress from drafting women. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #25

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #39

My point was women can be drafted, but they're still not equal under the Constitution. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #43

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #69

Personally I would not oppose a mandatory draft like thing for everyone for once they reach cstanleytech Feb 2019 #12

I would Major Nikon Feb 2019 #17

Where did I say they would not be paid? They would and should be paid for it and they are even cstanleytech Feb 2019 #19

Neither did I claim you did say that Major Nikon Feb 2019 #21

Great idea. But there are enough poor, desperate kids signing up now without those benefits. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #33

So A Volunteer RobinA Feb 2019 #66

Just how many of these Non-Military things would be needed. MarcA Feb 2019 #24

That's An Issue RobinA Feb 2019 #67

I really disagree with this. It ignores reality. Liberty Belle Feb 2019 #26

Assuming what you say TimeToGo Feb 2019 #38

There are plenty of jobs women can do that don't involve danger to their reproductive organs. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #41

Yes, your last point is spot on. Liberty Belle Feb 2019 #62

Fewer then 20% of the 16 million who served during WWII saw serious combat Kaleva Feb 2019 #52

The last sentence from the OP seem like one of the two likely outcomes from this still_one Feb 2019 #29

NOW has been pushing for this for a long time underpants Feb 2019 #30

NOW wants the ERA first. Otherwise, we could be in the draft and STILL pnwmom Feb 2019 #46

Makes sense in this day and age Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #31

Women should object. No ERA, no draft. pnwmom Feb 2019 #45

K&R smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #70

Pass the ERA Ammendment first. tazkcmo Feb 2019 #50

It's about time... the_sly_pig Feb 2019 #51

Right. Once the ERA is passed. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #71

Men must join women in passing the ERA first. pnwmom Feb 2019 #72

Long past due. Kaleva Feb 2019 #53

Now there is no excuse not to have an ERA (Equal Right Amendment) McCamy Taylor Feb 2019 #54

MRA's are correct on this. As far as the ERA, men of color radius777 Feb 2019 #78