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38. The Democratic Party is going to need to eventually

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 01:34 PM

Mar 2019

move away from the Cold War attitudes (which is still embraced by many baby boomers/Gen. Xers) and the reflexive hostility towards socialist governments abroad. The Soviet Union has been gone since 1991, and the Americans who were born since that time weren't raised on a strict diet of "Socialism Bad!" indoctrination day-in and day-out. Younger, more progressive-minded Democrats aren't necessarily buying into this worldview

I don't think it's an accident that many older Democrats in Congress (which is all of the top leadership) are teaming up with odious war criminals from the Trump regime to go after Venezuela. Maduro has been elected twice, he is not the dictator he has been accused of being, and he is the majority's choice to lead Venezuela - it's time to give Western paternalism and "my backyard" rhetoric a rest and respect the democracy Venezuelans have built for themselves.

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Venezuela's Guaido calls for massive protest as blackout drags on [View all] oldsoftie Mar 2019 OP

Yeah, especially when the US funds that downward slide Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #1

They didnt have a chance in hell when they stole private property & stopped paying bills. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #2

That would be the company line, yes quakerboy Mar 2019 #3

No one will do business with you when you refuse to pay your bills. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #11

There is no comparison with the two economies hack89 Mar 2019 #12

You mistake me quakerboy Mar 2019 #58

Saudi Arabia is a well run country hack89 Mar 2019 #71

Yes, that would be the company line. Thanks for the recitation. quakerboy Mar 2019 #148

It is actually the truth hack89 Mar 2019 #153

There is no comparing Venezuela and Saudi GatoGordo Mar 2019 #158

The company line? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #15

I am certain many palms are greased quakerboy Mar 2019 #59

They probably could have gotten away with stealing private citizens property. Calista241 Mar 2019 #4

Yeah, because companies christx30 Mar 2019 #57

Hopefully Maduro allows a peaceful protest ripcord Mar 2019 #5

The "opposition" is never peaceful. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #6

They launched violent protests they call "guarimbas" as soon as Chavez was elected. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #7

+1 ronnie624 Mar 2019 #8

Maybe they can get some relief when their next payday from N.E.D. arrives for them.) Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #65

Thanks. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #67

Slingshots against automatic weapons. Go see who is in the morgues in VZ oldsoftie Mar 2019 #10

damn slingshots GatoGordo Mar 2019 #16

That's not staged at all. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #20

if you say so GatoGordo Mar 2019 #22

I went to the site where that photo was published, "El Diestro," a fascist rag in Spain. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #63

What a 'shock' to see such propaganda posted here. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #64

So odd! It's almost like the "Onion" until you realize that's their idea of reading material! Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #66

Ugh. Nasty. Ghost Dog Mar 2019 #68

The worshipers of the fascist, dirty mass-murdering, torture-loving Franco's legacy. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #69

Same picture found in the PanAm Post. And various blogs. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #147

It's definitely comical. The one in charge has no sense of subtlety, for sure. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #123

Notice all of the 'communist' icons, lol? n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #125

Hilarious! Someone wants you to see they are the "enemy." n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #127

SURE! All of these pictures (as Max Blumenthal has "proven" ) are all CIA staged events GatoGordo Mar 2019 #149

if I sign up can I get a grenade launcher PupCamo Mar 2019 #48

All you have to do is move to Venezuela GatoGordo Mar 2019 #50

do I get my choice of color PupCamo Mar 2019 #54

It is a "revolution" of the well off. irresistable Mar 2019 #27

They haven't had control since 1976. It's written into their (serial) Constitutions GatoGordo Mar 2019 #28

You are leaving out the part of the history in the 90's where Exxon was once again involved. irresistable Mar 2019 #29

Lots of companies involved in past. Only a few now. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #32

The clue that we are not being told the real truth is that Trump wants to overthrow the regime. irresistable Mar 2019 #33

About 85% of Venezuela wants to be out from under the boot-heel of Chavismo GatoGordo Mar 2019 #35

Halliburton is evil JonLP24 Mar 2019 #70

Their oil is also high sulfur and very viscous. Turbineguy Mar 2019 #31

Most of it, yes! GatoGordo Mar 2019 #34

And that's where the XL pipeline comes into play Miguel M Mar 2019 #52

The Keystone has ZERO to do with Venezuela and any "oil grab" there GatoGordo Mar 2019 #53

The rabid whites want their control back, too. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #124

Racist much? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #135

You are confused. The ones who are racist are the ones who have controlled the country Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #139

ALL of the country is suffering, except those bribed by Maduro. ALL races. 20 years of BS oldsoftie Mar 2019 #142

Many of us are totally familiar with propaganda. It's been so overused even stupid people see it. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #143

Maduro needs all the useful idiots the world can spare GatoGordo Mar 2019 #145

Total Socialism always fails. Always. the people always suffer in the end. Always. Have fun. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #156

Maduro has murder squads roaming the country. The opposition doesnt. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #9

No he doesn't. That's complete poppycock. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #13

Yes, he does. Here's several articles about Maduros murderers. You should read more. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #14

Very little information there. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #18

"CIA propaganda". HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. What a joke. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #41

I guess you forgot about when Dems and Repugs voted to invade Iraq because ... Miguel M Mar 2019 #94

Iraq was invaded because Dick Cheney is evil. Comparing VZ & Iraq is ridiculous. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #107

Was comparing the decision and weak rationale for them. Miguel M Mar 2019 #110

Make up whatever silly terms you want, name some FREE countries that support keeping Maduro? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #112

it's MSM so it doesn't count PupCamo Mar 2019 #49

And how hard right and corrupt the replacement will be. quakerboy Mar 2019 #60

Whoever takes over when Maduro is gone wont be as bad as him. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #82

Thats not usually how it works quakerboy Mar 2019 #150

The death squads are there. Plenty of evidence to show it. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #155

ronnie, have you been to Venezuela? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #17

That's not a logical arguement. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #19

If you say so GatoGordo Mar 2019 #21

Logically then ronnie624 Mar 2019 #23

Is that your best syllogistic reasoning? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #24

Why the Washington Post 's New Ties to the CIA Are So Ominous ronnie624 Mar 2019 #25

None so blind as those who will not see nt COLGATE4 Mar 2019 #26

I'm sorry you have to go thru this EVERY time. EVERY time. Its amazing. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #42

Don't worry about me GatoGordo Mar 2019 #51

Keep peddling that tea! juxtaposed Mar 2019 #81

Maduro needs to get off his high horse Turbineguy Mar 2019 #30

Meh. He doesn't see a problem. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #36

I think that modern life is not conducive to revolution. Turbineguy Mar 2019 #39

I'm sorry, but who is this tool, and why should Americans care? Oneironaut Mar 2019 #37

"nobody cares what's going on in Venezuela"? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #40

"Who is this TOOL"??? He's the LEGITIMATE President of VZ, according to their constitution. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #43

Specifically, which articles of the Venezuelan constitution ronnie624 Mar 2019 #55

Here: EX500rider Mar 2019 #56

Im very curious as to their thread of reasoning quakerboy Mar 2019 #61

Here: EX500rider Mar 2019 #87

Interesting reading. Especially if you follow the rabbit hole quakerboy Mar 2019 #152

Article 233 ronnie624 Mar 2019 #62

Did you READ Article 350 that YOU quoted??? Maduro violates that clause DAILY. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #72

It's not our call. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #73

No, most, almost all, do NOT want MADURO as president. Show a legit poll showing otherwise. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #75

His base is 30% of the population; the largest by far. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #95

"economic warfare by the US" EX500rider Mar 2019 #96

No currency or oil market manipulation; no sanctions? ronnie624 Mar 2019 #99

Up until last month US sanctions only targeted a few govt officials for human rights violations. EX500rider Mar 2019 #104

You seem pretty keen on currency and oil market manipulations in Venezuela GatoGordo Mar 2019 #105

Foreign 'Visible Hand' of Market Exposed, Barred in Venezuela ronnie624 Mar 2019 #106

Telesur? Hahaha.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #117

Trump's base is 30%. We laugh at that. And Maduro's approval rating is BELOW 20%. try again. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #109

Not to mention if Trump declared the House of Rep null and void and made up his own one.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #88

Thank you. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #108

The Democratic Party is going to need to eventually solidLxxi Mar 2019 #38

"Elected twice"? The last election was a real one? Ha. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #44

"Maduro has been elected twice, he is not the dictator he has been accused of being" EX500rider Mar 2019 #45

What people don't/won't realize is that both Leopoldo Lopez and Henrique Capriles are leftists GatoGordo Mar 2019 #47

Everything you've posted is pro-Western propaganda from solidLxxi Mar 2019 #76

Sure, comrade. Ignore the FACTS posted by others about that "fair & square" election. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #78

Do you personally agree with the hostile solidLxxi Mar 2019 #85

THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY IN VENEZUELA. Its a dictatorship. Where ya been, comrade? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #111

When people vote on who their leaders solidLxxi Mar 2019 #172

Horseshit. Maduro jailed his true opponents & only let people as bad as him run. Just like Putin. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #173

The only people who were jailed were those solidLxxi Mar 2019 #176

Horseshit #2. Maduro also used "Fatherland" cards to vote. Sound familiar comrade? oldsoftie Mar 2019 #184

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" by the many who've benefited from Chavista policies over the years" EX500rider Mar 2019 #86

No, the people who have continued to vote Maduro and solidLxxi Mar 2019 #164

No one who is up on the matter thinks Maduro had majority support in the last election. EX500rider Mar 2019 #167

Their "popular leaders" have been involved in solidLxxi Mar 2019 #171

"because Venezuela's elections have been deemed free and fair by all observers" EX500rider Mar 2019 #175

The only "popular" leader you could be referring to solidLxxi Mar 2019 #178

"was trained in the US" translated as went to school in the US. EX500rider Mar 2019 #180

"pro-Western propaganda" You mean like Human Rights Watch? Amnesty Int? ReportersW/oBorders? EX500rider Mar 2019 #91

I notice the Maduro fans avoid this post like the plague.. EX500rider Mar 2019 #161

Yes, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International solidLxxi Mar 2019 #163

Gotta ya, the only sources you can trust are Venz mouthpieces and Marxists blogs apparently..lol EX500rider Mar 2019 #166

Maduro Won ONE election, and that came on the back of Chavez' cult of personality GatoGordo Mar 2019 #46

The economic slowdown was more about the steep solidLxxi Mar 2019 #74

Their economy was going downhill with $90-100 oil. And Maduro blocked real opponents from the race. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #77

Did the price of oil ruin Venezuela's food production also? EX500rider Mar 2019 #90

The opposition boycotted last year's elections because they knew they couldn't win them, period. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #97

If Maduro was as hated as you claim, solidLxxi Mar 2019 #165

Yes they all love it there, that's why 10% of the country has fled... EX500rider Mar 2019 #168

Maduro's government hasn't been solidLxxi Mar 2019 #170

"The right-wing still runs their media" Said no one ever... EX500rider Mar 2019 #174

Who authored this Wikipedia page solidLxxi Mar 2019 #177

It has something your posts do not, footnotes to the original information. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #179

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica EX500rider Mar 2019 #181

Britannica? More like BritannCIA Sapient Donkey Mar 2019 #182

The neat thing about wikipedia is there is some transparency in how content is worked out Sapient Donkey Mar 2019 #183

Rightwing talking points, day after day for years now. juxtaposed Mar 2019 #79

How's that possible when they're not in control of anything? Enlighten us, pleaase! oldsoftie Mar 2019 #80

So which of these are the fault of the RW expats? : EX500rider Mar 2019 #92

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #84

I believe you meant to say he is elected President of the National Assembly of Venezuela? nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #169

Maduro is a piece of shit who ate empanada on live TV while his people starved ansible Mar 2019 #89

We had some big some big Mugabe fans here in the past, even a N Korea defender. EX500rider Mar 2019 #93

Reiterating US atrocities, including the forgotten slaughter of millions of Koreans ronnie624 Mar 2019 #100

Speak for youself...which I assume you are....nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #102

"slaughter of millions of Koreans"? Um, yeah, the North Koreans are the ones still killing oldsoftie Mar 2019 #113

Lol. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #115

Exactly. Just as i figured. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #116

Curtis LeMay: ronnie624 Mar 2019 #119

None of which happens if the communists didnt invade the South. North got what they asked for. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #122

FOX 'news' version of 'history', if I ever heard it, lol. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #126

Amazing! I did wonder if those in West Berlin knew the commies took Berlin. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #128

The Russians took ALL of Berlin to end the war. There was no "West Berlin" yet. Jeeze. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #132

Facts are facts, you dont have to like them. Luckily, only a few here cant see the forest... oldsoftie Mar 2019 #134

N Korea started the war and then got their butts kicked by UN forces. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #118

There was no 'North' Korea until the US divided the country. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #121

You mean the Allied forces after WWII. EX500rider Mar 2019 #129

The US was THE world power following WWII. You're informed enough to know this. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #130

The USSR would beg to differ. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #131

They might, but they would be wrong. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #133

The US didn't call any shots for Stalin. The Cold War was already in progress. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #136

You're struggling. That doesn't even make sense. ronnie624 Mar 2019 #137

lol, yes the military that beat the Germans on the Eastern front was no threat? EX500rider Mar 2019 #140

Correct. n/t ronnie624 Mar 2019 #144

Ignorance is the single greatest tool of oppression. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #157

lol, so wrong. EX500rider Mar 2019 #160

It gets even better. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #98

So, Guaido called for massive demonstrations yesterday, Tuesday at 15:00, Ghost Dog Mar 2019 #101

Its only a matter of time before Guaido "throws himself out of a 10th floor window" of SEBIN HQ GatoGordo Mar 2019 #103

I hope for the best for your friends and family there. Its awful how Maduro is killing the country. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #141

The Chavistas are every bit as delusional... Adrahil Mar 2019 #114

I don't understand them ripcord Mar 2019 #120

But look up thread at the few apologists who go to ANY LENGTH to defend him. Sad, but predictable. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #138

To them, its about the Revolution. GatoGordo Mar 2019 #146

Your 'arguement' ronnie624 Mar 2019 #151

Maybe you ought to sit in on a neighborhood communal council meeting and listen to them? GatoGordo Mar 2019 #154

Both Trump and Maduro can be bad guys. Adrahil Mar 2019 #159

I guess it is easy to turn away food when it isn't Maduro' s fat ass starving ripcord Mar 2019 #162