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23. There is a basic problem with all of these schemes

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 05:31 PM

Mar 2019

I believe they can construct this kind of software. But a basic problem is: how can the average voter make sure that that software is what is actually running on the machines in use? You can't tell just by looking at the machine.

Also, most people don't have the technical background to appreciate this kind of accomplishment. A voting system has to be understandable by anyone, even low-education voters. No software systems satisfy that. The system has to be something everyone can trust.

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DARPA Is Building a $10 Million, Open Source, Secure Voting System [View all] mbusby Mar 2019 OP

And it allows the voter to verify their own vote. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #1

Open-Source Software--You get what you pay for. Almost all not reviewed, and many done by hackers. TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #33

Australia has been switching to open source voting. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2019 #39

Well, good luck with that, as it probably had scores of vulnerabilities. TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #42

No one who works in IT who knows what they're talking about... SKKY Mar 2019 #44

Good on them. But of course, that's not what the GOPee wants. sandensea Mar 2019 #2

Diebold! True Blue American Mar 2019 #10

An appropriately named right-wing company. (n/t) gtar100 Mar 2019 #15

Good news. DARPA is badass. DrToast Mar 2019 #3

+1 Kurt V. Mar 2019 #18

Got my attention. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #32

I've worked on three DARPA projects... Adrahil Mar 2019 #36

well, that's promising ProfessorPlum Mar 2019 #4

Agree. Should find a way to make it mandatory DrToast Mar 2019 #7

Doesn't Australia maintain its voting machine code. And voting machine manufacturers have to use it. catrose Mar 2019 #25

K & R SunSeeker Mar 2019 #5

Ready by 2020? CDerekGo Mar 2019 #6

Military Industrial Complex hosts ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #8

My thoughts exactly. Who was that creep during GWB's admin. that was a holdover japple Mar 2019 #16

Sounds right ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #17

I don't give a rat's ass what the networks want n/t TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #28

Yes, voter-verifiable paper audit trail ... mellow Mar 2019 #9

Why not just mark paper ballots by hand? unc70 Mar 2019 #13

some people cant. the disabled community wants touchscreens. mopinko Mar 2019 #38

'Bout fucking time! FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #11

LOL! Nothing is secure on the Internet. Opel_Justwax Mar 2019 #12

Sure as heck isn't safe now... JCMach1 Mar 2019 #41

If banking and credit card systems can be built securely, gtar100 Mar 2019 #14

YES!!! ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #19

Remember when justgamma Mar 2019 #20

Wasn't that the time the votes were sent to Kentucky ArizonaLib Mar 2019 #22

That's right! Even more damning... gtar100 Mar 2019 #40

there is a fundamental difference between voting systems and consumer financial systems flyingfysh Mar 2019 #24

Right, it's not the exact same problem set gtar100 Mar 2019 #37

Not worth anything until it's deployed, which will be when? mart48 Mar 2019 #21

There is a basic problem with all of these schemes flyingfysh Mar 2019 #23

"This is a problem that is so big that one DARPA program isn't going to solve ... LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #26

Trading one problem for another DrToast Mar 2019 #27

Then if that happens, that is what they will do LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #30

Tabulating the vote is the problem h2ebits Mar 2019 #29

Total myth made up by those who have a stake in machines LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #31

Remember how that worked out for President Gore in 2000? IronLionZion Mar 2019 #45

If I'm not mistaken they were using some ancient punch chad system LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #46

Who's going to count all that and aggregate it? IronLionZion Mar 2019 #47

I refer you to my post #31 LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #49

Very surprising from a group that sees the villians in sci-fi movies as inspiration rather than rwsanders Mar 2019 #34

as some who has spent my life writing code lapfog_1 Mar 2019 #35

Excellent news. I remember reading here that Diebold's software was proprietary & secret... Hekate Mar 2019 #43

Such a thing is not possible for the simple reason we can't look inside the machine. hunter Mar 2019 #48