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In reply to the discussion: USC students linked to admissions scandal can't enroll in classes, get transcripts, university says [View all]SomewhereInTheMiddle
(671 posts)84. Interesting.
In other cases, the student applied legitimately to the University, submitted their legitimate high school transcripts and test scores and submitted the application with the essays etc. But what these students didn't know was that their parent(s) had contracted with Singer to submit an Athlete Recruitment form to a person at the University Athletic Dept who was being bribed and then there would be falsification of their qualifications. These students didn't know that had been done or submitted on their behalf. Those students didn't knowingly participate in a fraud and when they signed their applications were not committing fraud. Their parents did and they didn't know.
Interesting. I had not thought of that.
But I still wonder if a student was offered an Athletic scholarship or place on a team as part of their admissions, would they not have to agree to accepts or participate. Again would this not require their signature rather than their parents or someone elses? If they had not been part of the fraudulent application, they still would have to accept knowing that they had not applied for the team/activity/scholarship. Would that acceptance not be a fraudulent act in and of itself?
One of the things about my sons college experience that is difficult for me as a parent is that the boys are making commitments as adults. Commitments which we as parents have little or nothing to do with, and in many cases no knowledge of. FERPA protects their information privacy, even from parents.
Each case is different and the Universities should look and investigate each case on a case by case basis to determine if the student knowingly committed fraud. The ones who did know should be expelled, but I don't believe the kids who didn't know should be punished because of what their parents did without their knowledge.
I agree it is not right to punish one generation for the crimes of the preceding ones. These young adults who benefited from the bribes/fraud, at some point must have agreed in some way as the schools would require their signatures. If they can find students that did not sign off on something fraudulent then perhaps they are ignorant, maybe even innocent.
Or so it seems to me.
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USC students linked to admissions scandal can't enroll in classes, get transcripts, university says [View all]
nitpicker
Mar 2019
OP
did they do that to all the athletes that graduated on the sanctioned sports programs?
CreekDog
Mar 2019
#89
Every argument being made is the same as conservatives do toward the DACA kids
Blue_Adept
Mar 2019
#51
The majority of those that are here "illegally" are overstayed visas and the like
Blue_Adept
Mar 2019
#65
I find it interesting that you equate rich privilege with people trying to save their own lives. nt
Javaman
Mar 2019
#57
Hey, according to folks in this thread, they broke the law. So throw the book at them.
Blue_Adept
Mar 2019
#58
Dreamers were young children. Not bordering on adulthood who didn't know they weren't born here.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2019
#79
that's like letting a bank robber go because he used the money to build an orphanage. nt
Javaman
Mar 2019
#14
the orphanage should be sold or given over to the state and the robber goes to jail.
Javaman
Mar 2019
#55
I'm drawing on my experience in common sense. Their tuition, based on fraud, will not be returned.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2019
#96
This is the same principal as not using nazi "medical" reasearch from holocaust camps.....
getagrip_already
Mar 2019
#31
I think a better analogy is a bank robber having his car confiscated by police.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2019
#41
I posted my reply before seeing yours. You and I are thinking the same thing
tulipsandroses
Mar 2019
#42
Hate for which demographic here? on rich people or white people? The kids or...?
Apple Fritter
Mar 2019
#69