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In reply to the discussion: Trump signs executive order on free speech on college campuses [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)85. Perhaps this expert might clear up your misunderstanding of what I stated...
For instance, a public university does not have to permit a White Supremacist Group to rally on campus.
I gave an example of a university that believeed the rally was a deliberate attempt to intimidate students of color, which is prohibited harassment of a protected class, of which race is one.
Just as restrictions on who may purchase firearms is not a violation of the second amendment, restrictions on where, when and how speech is expressed don't violate the first amendment. Or yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre can indeed be prohibited without violating free speech....
Of course, free speech is not absolute and can be punished when it incites illegal activity, constitutes a true threat that causes a person to fear imminent harm to his or her physical safety, or rises to the level of prohibited harassment.
This does not mean that campuses are powerless in the face of disruptive or hateful speech. Even though there is a First Amendment right to speak, that does not mean that protesters have the right to demonstrate in the middle of a freeway at rush hour. A campus surely could prohibit a large demonstration in a classroom building while classes are in session. Campuses can regulate when and where speech takes place in order to prevent disruption of school activities. Controversial speakers can be placed in auditoriums where it is easier to assure safety and prevent disruptions. Demonstrations can be placed in areas away from where classes are in session.
This does not mean that campuses are powerless in the face of disruptive or hateful speech. Even though there is a First Amendment right to speak, that does not mean that protesters have the right to demonstrate in the middle of a freeway at rush hour. A campus surely could prohibit a large demonstration in a classroom building while classes are in session. Campuses can regulate when and where speech takes place in order to prevent disruption of school activities. Controversial speakers can be placed in auditoriums where it is easier to assure safety and prevent disruptions. Demonstrations can be placed in areas away from where classes are in session.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/10/25/16524832/campus-free-speech-first-amendment-protest
Is that clearer?
You do know that the experts that you cited have decided they will no longer defend the 'speech' of anyone who marches with weapons, for reasons related to the bolded text above, after Charlottesville.
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Trump signs executive order on free speech on college campuses [View all]
mahatmakanejeeves
Mar 2019
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Trump To Sign Toothless Executive Order On Campus Free Speech In Bow To Far-Right Student Activists
mahatmakanejeeves
Mar 2019
#2
My thoughts too. But should it / will it be challenged in court? Sets precedent, challenge or none.
Bernardo de La Paz
Mar 2019
#7
I'd make the argument that they should be allowed to speak for one simple reason beyond free speech.
Jedi Guy
Mar 2019
#121
I think immediately, a pro-choice women's group, or another liberal org should start booking talks
LiberalLovinLug
Mar 2019
#9
It may run afoul of state statutes regulating hate speech at state universities.
Ford_Prefect
Mar 2019
#15
Several campus situations I am aware of regulate according to intimidation and behavior rather
Ford_Prefect
Mar 2019
#56
So, I should be able to stand in the middle of campus and advocate stuffing Jews into ovens?
ZZenith
Mar 2019
#19
By the way, welcome to DU, where attempting to herd cats is not just a figure of speech, it's
mahatmakanejeeves
Mar 2019
#78
Actions that incite, like yelling "Jews will not replace us" in a march, in unison?
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#118
Do you work at a university? A University has the right to choose who speaks at the University,
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#45
"why should a University give a climate change denier, or other person who devalues science and...."
mahatmakanejeeves
Mar 2019
#58
So, does that mean yes, you think that universities haven't changed at all since you went to one
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#89
The term "freedom" has also undergone a change in the last 50 years, as well as "speech."
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#94
So let me get this straight: harassment doesn't exist unless the target chooses to be offended?
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#98
If it fat jokes didn't affect you negatively, why would you report it as "inappropriate?"
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#113
Do you think that Christine Blasey Ford was "choosing" to believe she was being targeted
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#104
Do you think that Anita Hill was responsible for continued harassment by Clarence Thomas
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#105
But isn't that supressing "free speech" to report someone when you could just ignore their words?
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#116
You were fine with your tense usage - that quote did not imply present tense.
bernie59
Mar 2019
#125
"to enhance the quality of postsecondary education by making it more affordable"
DesertRat
Mar 2019
#17
All I saw was reporting annually on data to show students how expensive their education will be. n/t
Beartracks
Mar 2019
#27
This is garbage. First of what if someone tries to go to a Christian college that has accepted
cstanleytech
Mar 2019
#20
I thought Trump had taken the knife to cut out unnecessary government legislation.
Doodley
Mar 2019
#34
Yep, along with discouraging those whose parents can't pay tuition in full from enrolling
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#49
This is a clear attempt to discourage attendance at universities. This is much like
ehrnst
Mar 2019
#47
should allow liberal speakers at conservative schools unfettered access too....
beachbum bob
Mar 2019
#55