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ehrnst

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94. The term "freedom" has also undergone a change in the last 50 years, as well as "speech."
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:20 PM
Mar 2019

Remember that we are talking about the Trump administration's definition of "freedom" which now encompasses the religious right's "freedom" to discriminate against those they don't approve of.

That's not just "my problem" with this EO, but a "problem" for many others who have an understanding of public education in the US since 1964.

Maybe this will make more sense to you: Your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose. The condition of being "free" doesn't include the "freedom" to harass or threaten others out of a public education, which includes public universities, and "looking the other way" while that happens is unacceptable, and in violation of Title VI, which has been federal law for schools since 1964.

You're welcome for the update.

You may be disappointed to learn that this EO will likely be challenged as a violation of Title VI.


What is racial and national origin harassment?

Racial and national origin harassment is unwelcome conduct based on a student’s actual or perceived race or national origin. Harassers can be students, school staff, or even someone visiting the school, such as a student or employee from another school. Racial and national origin harassment can take many forms, including slurs, taunts, stereotypes, or name-calling, as well as racially-motivated physical threats, attacks, or other hateful conduct. Although none of the laws OCR enforces expressly address religious discrimination, OCR can investigate complaints that students were subjected to ethnic or ancestral slurs; harassed for how they look, dress, or speak in ways linked to ethnicity or ancestry (e.g. skin color, religious attire, language spoken); or stereotyped based on perceived shared ancestral or ethnic characteristics. Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, and Sikh students are examples of individuals who may be harassed for being viewed as part of a group perceived to exhibit both ethnic and religious characteristics.


https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/frontpage/faq/race-origin.html






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Be careful what you sign executive orders for Chakaconcarne Mar 2019 #1
Yup. I'm expecting invites to go out to Louis Farrakhan shortly. OneBro Mar 2019 #31
I would travel to Liberty University to see an LGBT pride parade there! Initech Mar 2019 #42
I hope this happens ASAP. rainin Mar 2019 #76
Trump To Sign Toothless Executive Order On Campus Free Speech In Bow To Far-Right Student Activists mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #2
My thoughts too. But should it / will it be challenged in court? Sets precedent, challenge or none. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #7
Screw that, I say we start messing with it. Initech Mar 2019 #10
What an unreadable hairball of words. C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #3
See post #2, spoiler alert: No. DRoseDARs Mar 2019 #6
Satanists at Liberty university? Itchinjim Mar 2019 #4
If they take any federal research funds, hell yeah :-) The Mouth Mar 2019 #14
I hope Louis Farrakhan goes to Liberty University. walkingman Mar 2019 #28
Proud Boys & Identity Evropa is "American Values" EarthFirst Mar 2019 #5
On a university they should be expressed A Former Republican Mar 2019 #18
Can you specify what "can be shown to be Nazi bullshit" means? ehrnst Mar 2019 #46
I did not say rally, I said present their ideas A Former Republican Mar 2019 #60
You didn't specify what form "presenting their ideas" means. ehrnst Mar 2019 #69
I'd make the argument that they should be allowed to speak for one simple reason beyond free speech. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #121
This is worriesome: NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #8
yes, and I doubt it would stand on free speech grounds. sfwriter Mar 2019 #21
It's already happening. STEM STEM STEM Politicub Mar 2019 #24
I'm a historian at a major university. a la izquierda Mar 2019 #57
I think immediately, a pro-choice women's group, or another liberal org should start booking talks LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #9
Those are generally private universities. Socal31 Mar 2019 #12
What counts is whether they receive federal research money or grants. sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 #38
It addresses private universities separately. Socal31 Mar 2019 #39
'Not enough ewww in the world for this' Gothmog Mar 2019 #11
My freeze peach neckbeards everywhere rejoice. RhodeIslandOne Mar 2019 #13
It may run afoul of state statutes regulating hate speech at state universities. Ford_Prefect Mar 2019 #15
"Hate speech," whatever that is, is Constitutionally protected. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #51
Several campus situations I am aware of regulate according to intimidation and behavior rather Ford_Prefect Mar 2019 #56
I've been online hate speech is very toxic JonLP24 Mar 2019 #100
There is a difference between teaching the history of hate speech and genocide ehrnst Mar 2019 #111
What I was mainly addressing was "hate speech" JonLP24 Mar 2019 #114
Got it. ehrnst Mar 2019 #117
ALL SPEECH AND IDEAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN UNIVERSITIES A Former Republican Mar 2019 #16
So, I should be able to stand in the middle of campus and advocate stuffing Jews into ovens? ZZenith Mar 2019 #19
Yes, say what you will A Former Republican Mar 2019 #33
So you think a university should host a KKK rally to 'test' those ideas ehrnst Mar 2019 #50
It's bigger and more insidious than that. Hard-core right wing Hortensis Mar 2019 #99
After people decide how crazy a person is, what next? rzemanfl Mar 2019 #97
Incitement to riot or fighting words exboyfil Mar 2019 #54
I agree 100%, ideas not actions A Former Republican Mar 2019 #62
Convincing this board that the pie exboyfil Mar 2019 #63
Yes, we no longer believe in talking with each other A Former Republican Mar 2019 #65
Speak for yourself. ehrnst Mar 2019 #67
I said the board in general exboyfil Mar 2019 #68
You said "convincing this board" of which I am posting on. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #70
While I don't agree with him, I at least have some respect for Ben Shapiro. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #122
By the way, welcome to DU, where attempting to herd cats is not just a figure of speech, it's mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #78
Actions that incite, like yelling "Jews will not replace us" in a march, in unison? ehrnst Mar 2019 #118
Nazis should not be allowed in universities Politicub Mar 2019 #25
And who is to decide what is acceptable and what is not A Former Republican Mar 2019 #35
As a society, we have decided that nazis are unacceptable Politicub Mar 2019 #36
You know not of what you speak. ZZenith Mar 2019 #44
I'm thinking that it's not about 'knowing' about a topic ehrnst Mar 2019 #53
Do you work at a university? A University has the right to choose who speaks at the University, ehrnst Mar 2019 #45
"why should a University give a climate change denier, or other person who devalues science and...." mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #58
Yep, but there are those here who are defending the ideas in it ehrnst Mar 2019 #80
That is just factually incorrect. Socal31 Mar 2019 #61
It's factually correct, and I did read the article. ehrnst Mar 2019 #71
Public Universities host speakers that are not aligned with their politics. Socal31 Mar 2019 #73
I didn't say that they didn't, shouldn't, or couldn't choose to. ehrnst Mar 2019 #75
They are required to, as stated in the EO, which changed nothing. Socal31 Mar 2019 #77
This is the post that you are refuting as non-factual. ehrnst Mar 2019 #82
I'll let the professionals clarify my point. Socal31 Mar 2019 #84
Perhaps this expert might clear up your misunderstanding of what I stated... ehrnst Mar 2019 #85
I have yet to see anyone argue that hate groups can rally. Socal31 Mar 2019 #86
This is a long thread, and you likely haven't read all the posts ehrnst Mar 2019 #87
The university does not have to endorse an idea A Former Republican Mar 2019 #64
Strawman and moving the goalposts.... ehrnst Mar 2019 #66
Absolutism for its own sake is wholly irrational. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2019 #52
I GUESS USING ALL CAPS MAKES YOUR INTERPRETATION THE ONLY VALID ONE. ehrnst Mar 2019 #48
I was just shouting the truth as I saw it A Former Republican Mar 2019 #72
So you're not going to answer the question about ehrnst Mar 2019 #74
In answer to your question, you will not like it A Former Republican Mar 2019 #88
So, does that mean yes, you think that universities haven't changed at all since you went to one ehrnst Mar 2019 #89
I do not know if Universities have changed, A Former Republican Mar 2019 #92
The term "freedom" has also undergone a change in the last 50 years, as well as "speech." ehrnst Mar 2019 #94
Now that we are talking we can reach understanding A Former Republican Mar 2019 #95
So let me get this straight: harassment doesn't exist unless the target chooses to be offended? ehrnst Mar 2019 #98
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So you place the responsibility on the target, and not the harrasser. ehrnst Mar 2019 #102
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If it fat jokes didn't affect you negatively, why would you report it as "inappropriate?" ehrnst Mar 2019 #113
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Do you think that Christine Blasey Ford was "choosing" to believe she was being targeted ehrnst Mar 2019 #104
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Words are actions, too. What about leaving pornography on someone's desk? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #108
Do you think that Anita Hill was responsible for continued harassment by Clarence Thomas ehrnst Mar 2019 #105
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What is a WO? ehrnst Mar 2019 #110
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But isn't that supressing "free speech" to report someone when you could just ignore their words? ehrnst Mar 2019 #116
The world will never know! *POOF!* NurseJackie Mar 2019 #123
Hey Welcome to DU A Former Republican 👋 irisblue Mar 2019 #91
Sorry, I will try to be more precise in my tense usage A Former Republican Mar 2019 #93
You were fine with your tense usage - that quote did not imply present tense. bernie59 Mar 2019 #125
I never knew in my all 70 years that one could "volunteer for the draft." rzemanfl Mar 2019 #96
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I cannot help but compare your experience with that of a friend of mine. rzemanfl Mar 2019 #112
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"to enhance the quality of postsecondary education by making it more affordable" DesertRat Mar 2019 #17
All I saw was reporting annually on data to show students how expensive their education will be. n/t Beartracks Mar 2019 #27
This is garbage. First of what if someone tries to go to a Christian college that has accepted cstanleytech Mar 2019 #20
Nothing says anyone has to listen to their bullshit... jmowreader Mar 2019 #22
Just... gross Gothmog Mar 2019 #23
Oh, god. He's smelling her. htuttle Mar 2019 #30
Yes he was-this is so gross Gothmog Mar 2019 #41
Well here's another mess he got the RETHUGS in bluestarone Mar 2019 #26
Looks like we're going to get some Zampolit or Zhengwei on campus htuttle Mar 2019 #29
What about free speech on dairy farms? Sanity Claws Mar 2019 #32
I thought Trump had taken the knife to cut out unnecessary government legislation. Doodley Mar 2019 #34
The takeaway line is this: procon Mar 2019 #37
Yep, along with discouraging those whose parents can't pay tuition in full from enrolling ehrnst Mar 2019 #49
Conservatives should be careful what they wish for. Nitram Mar 2019 #40
Exactly! Don't get mad, get even! Initech Mar 2019 #43
This executive order may not apply to Liberty U. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #124
You're right, I meant to write "pro-choice." Nitram Mar 2019 #126
This is a clear attempt to discourage attendance at universities. This is much like ehrnst Mar 2019 #47
should allow liberal speakers at conservative schools unfettered access too.... beachbum bob Mar 2019 #55
Behold the words of Glorious Leader! mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #59
Who gets to decide? underpants Mar 2019 #79
the freedom for violent criminal gangs to recruit on campus DBoon Mar 2019 #83
There is no way that idiot came up with that himself. Sounds like a Stephen Miller, Steve King, GemDigger Mar 2019 #90
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