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94. What the hell does the Libya attack have to do with Daniel Ellsburg? You tell me.

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 06:42 PM

Sep 2012

You were the one who brought up Ellsburg's entirely unrelated quote in response to the OP. Ellsburg said that everything that happened to Assange happened to him. Well, no one charged Ellsburg with rape, did they?

There are no US laws that would allow the prosecution of a non-citizen like Assange, unlike a service member such as Manning.

However, if there were, and the US wanted to extradite Assange, they could have easily done it straight from the UK. We have a perfectly good extradition agreement with them. The US didn't have to wait for Sweden to extradite him from the UK, so we could extradite from Sweden. That would make no sense. If he were extradited to Sweden now, we would actually have to get permission from two countries -- Sweden AND the UK -- for him to be extradited here.

You think the rape charges are phony, but many other DUers think they should be investigated. Sweden is at the point of charging him, but -- according to their justice system-- they need to have him in custody to do so. It's way beyond a teleconference.

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WikiLeaks' Julian Assange says US gave 'tacit approval' to embassy attacks [View all] struggle4progress Sep 2012 OP

Did he just join the Republican party? gateley Sep 2012 #1

Unfortunately, it isn't a stretch. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #8

Very well stated. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #29

You know, you're right. And after reading your post, I agree. gateley Sep 2012 #32

You seem to have lost sight of the entire charade. randome Sep 2012 #33

Uh....... Wild Thing Sep 2012 #36

well, that is one point of view mitchtv Sep 2012 #49

"His work for Wikileaks has nothing to do with that." Yeah, sure. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #57

If the women's claims are true, he's a rapist, not a boorish lover. pnwmom Sep 2012 #79

So the entire Military Industrial Complex goes after an alleged rapist. navarth Sep 2012 #103

Where is this MIC you speak of? randome Sep 2012 #106

Do you need to see warships as proof? navarth Sep 2012 #110

What he and Wikileaks proved to us all is that... randome Sep 2012 #111

I think the terminology 'conspiracy theory' is navarth Sep 2012 #112

Speaking only for myself, I find the subject fascinating. randome Sep 2012 #114

No, just the Swedish justice system. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #107

and you know this absolutely? navarth Sep 2012 #113

I know it just as absolutely as you "know" pnwmom Sep 2012 #116

okay then, in other words, navarth Sep 2012 #119

I don't put Obama and Bush in the same category of trustworthiness. pnwmom Sep 2012 #123

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #38

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #83

This post was alerted on! Tick Tock! ohiosmith Sep 2012 #93

What a mzmolly Sep 2012 #2

Sorry. Socal31 Sep 2012 #3

Good point. Dems to Win Sep 2012 #75

Jumped...the...shark n/t orwell Sep 2012 #4

Short simple and to the point. Agreed. Love your user name -- when I sign up for a grocery store Dems to Win Sep 2012 #72

oh ffs, not this shit again. Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2012 #5

A big ditto to your post Joe! SoapBox Sep 2012 #6

I've been cautious in my judgment of Assange davidthegnome Sep 2012 #7

I disagree. He is just pointing out that the US should do unto others as it would have others JDPriestly Sep 2012 #9

I agree with the idea of a universal code davidthegnome Sep 2012 #12

EXACTLY!!! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2012 #31

Good response, indeed. I support universal principles, but I have no respect for Assange Dems to Win Sep 2012 #74

an intelligent repsonse. Swagman Sep 2012 #18

Sigh. The headline is dishonest. We don't know that Assange wrote that tweet. Also, it was retracted Hissyspit Sep 2012 #14

... the official WikiLeaks Twitter feed ... is generally presumed to be operated by Assange ... struggle4progress Sep 2012 #53

I posted that. Duh. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #104

There's good reason to presume Assange controls the Twitter feed: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #105

Yes, the best journalism is presumption-based, not fact-based. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #125

I WISH he was irrelevant. He still gets media coverage and DU threads. I'm tired of the creep, too Dems to Win Sep 2012 #71

A narcissist is exactly what he is. Everything's always about HIM. pnwmom Sep 2012 #78

. mzmolly Sep 2012 #90

This guy was a hero of sorts to many not that long ago, but he seems to be losing supporters octothorpe Sep 2012 #124

I like this man less and less every time he opens his mouth. DeltaLitProf Sep 2012 #10

That's all the easier when the yellow press... JackRiddler Sep 2012 #16

I hope you blame those who published them as well in that case Swagman Sep 2012 #19

Indian Express? Say no more! longship Sep 2012 #11

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #39

Well, here are some other sources: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #48

Hmmm, didn't I see pretty much this same post in GD... ljm2002 Sep 2012 #13

Jury voted to hide it tama Sep 2012 #15

Nice try, but I posted this here in LBN before the jury hid my other OP struggle4progress Sep 2012 #37

Yes, on second thought you must have tama Sep 2012 #40

Assangists support Assange on free speech grounds -- then censor his critics struggle4progress Sep 2012 #58

You throw that to me tama Sep 2012 #61

"Assangists" navarth Sep 2012 #101

in that case I've just become disgusted by the jury service and will never Swagman Sep 2012 #20

this occurred to me when I heard the news Swagman Sep 2012 #17

This is the dumbest and craziest thing Assange has ever said. He needs to keep his trap shut. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #21

Life on the lam is eating away at his brain. rucky Sep 2012 #22

and it is just going to get worse. He's barely begun his self-imprisonment in the embassy Dems to Win Sep 2012 #73

The tenor of most replies here shows that posters BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #23

agree navarth Sep 2012 #30

expecting better was your first mistake.. frylock Sep 2012 #46

That's what gets me navarth Sep 2012 #92

Guilty ... GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #24

Those people have zero credibility - who cares what they say? George II Sep 2012 #25

Clever headline - guilt by association. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #26

... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #35

I am a corrupt moron flying jumbo jets loaded with entire nations, says Julian Assange struggle4progress Sep 2012 #41

You gotta love that article---how one's drunk tweets from England hit the Aussies mid-day....nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #42

"They'll believe we're real journalists if we get hammered and post dumb shizz!" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #45

... the official WikiLeaks Twitter feed ... is generally presumed to be operated by Assange ... struggle4progress Sep 2012 #43

DU rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #27

I stayed out of the Assange worship leftynyc Sep 2012 #28

+1 Rare for me, too Dems to Win Sep 2012 #70

Daniel Ellsberg said in 2010 navarth Sep 2012 #34

Wikileaks is cool. Assange is not. randome Sep 2012 #50

realtive coolness is irrelevant navarth Sep 2012 #51

Trolls? The contortions and conspiracy hoops you guys have to jump through to keep from... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #55

contortions and conspiracy hoops? navarth Sep 2012 #64

Translation = Governments should be held accountable. Julian Assange? Not so much. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #66

Thank you for putting words in my mouth navarth Sep 2012 #67

Frankly, I think he should be put away so he's not a danger to himself or others, but that's just me Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #68

please explain how he is a danger to himself or others navarth Sep 2012 #69

Assangists support Assange on free speech grounds -- then censor his critics struggle4progress Sep 2012 #59

pfft navarth Sep 2012 #65

Jury used to hide facts DUers dislike struggle4progress Sep 2012 #85

I had nothing to do with that. When I serve on a jury navarth Sep 2012 #87

So? Ellsburg wouldn't say that the Libya attack had anything to do with Wikileaks. pnwmom Sep 2012 #80

WTF? navarth Sep 2012 #82

Why does Assange have to go to Sweden before being extradited here and black bagged? Dems to Win Sep 2012 #86

At this point all he's got to do is walk out of that embassy in London. navarth Sep 2012 #88

Why didn't it happen when Assange was on bail in the UK, living at his friend's mansion? Dems to Win Sep 2012 #91

I agree. If we were going to extradite, it would be simpler straight from the UK. pnwmom Sep 2012 #95

ok. if you're sincere navarth Sep 2012 #98

Sweden is also a US ally. Why would the US be willing to interfere with the Swedish justice system Dems to Win Sep 2012 #117

I also would be willing to look at any links navarth Sep 2012 #118

Pretty damn callous: Dems to Win Sep 2012 #122

What the hell does the Libya attack have to do with Daniel Ellsburg? You tell me. pnwmom Sep 2012 #94

My reference to Ellsberg navarth Sep 2012 #99

There isn't a personal vendetta on DU. There are simply some people here pnwmom Sep 2012 #108

On the contrary navarth Sep 2012 #109

No one can provide proof of the innocent people he hurt when he released the pnwmom Sep 2012 #115

okay then. navarth Sep 2012 #120

Narcissists tend to attract both hero-worship and vitriol. pnwmom Sep 2012 #121

He's hiding from having his poor performance as a lover made public. randome Sep 2012 #96

What a disappointing post navarth Sep 2012 #100

WikiLeaks' Lamest Claim Ever: Benghazi Embassy Violence Linked To U.K. Threat To Arrest Assange struggle4progress Sep 2012 #44

GOLDSTEIN!!1 frylock Sep 2012 #47

Can't we all chip in and buy this mf'er a remote island so we never have to hear from him again? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #52

I'm guessing the Swedes will deport him to Australia after they acquit him struggle4progress Sep 2012 #54

Yes, but that'll mean we'll still have to hear his name occasionally. I'd prefer he just went away, Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #56

After they acquit him? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #60

If you prefer "I'm guessing the Swedes will deport him to Australia after they convict him" then struggle4progress Sep 2012 #63

Assange and Bacile, 2 peas in a pod Dems to Win Sep 2012 #62

Discouraging how many in this thread 1. Don't know the definition of "tacit" harun Sep 2012 #76

The US gave no approval to these attacks, tacit or otherwise. pnwmom Sep 2012 #81

The US took the position: "this is a bilateral issue between Ecuador and the United Kingdom" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #84

What I find discouraging davidthegnome Sep 2012 #89

It's not always about you Julian... JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #77

Sweden + UK > Ecaudor Embassy + Assange does not = Movie + Mob > USA Embassy. freshwest Sep 2012 #97

This guy is JUST so full of himself, isn't he? nt WeekendWarrior Sep 2012 #102

Great guy. nt greyl Sep 2012 #126