Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All

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82. So you're not going to answer my questions? I'm not surprised.

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Little old me is "the reason that we can't talk as Democrats about the very real problems..."

Because I point out where you get the facts wrong? Should I be flattered that you think I have that much power over what "Democrats can't talk about?"

You are so invested in the ACA that you have to parse every pronoun I type hoping you can find one little crack in the story of the life I have lived under the ACA, so you can create a make-believe discrepancy to discredit everything I said.

That's a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? Attacking a straw man and a false dillema in one sentence that also accuses me of lying, twisting or otherwise trying to discredit "the story of the life you have lived under the ACA."

Because I ask for clarification about who exactly is "pretending to listen to you" and who is "telling you to shut up?"

There are support boards all over the internet for people who simply want validation for and to share their struggles. You seem to need something more - that everyone else agree with you concerning the false equivalence of only "MFA or Bust" or "I don't want other people to get health care," with nothing in between

If one has an agenda to trash Democratic voters and leaders who don't jump on the Single Payer or bust boat, DU is the wrong place. There are other boards more than happy to agree with everything you say. DU isn't an echo chamber, nor is it a place where you will do much converting people against the Democratic party.

Since you fired off a response before I finished my edits - here they are again:

I know the difference between chronic and pre-existing conditions.

I also know that some, including my sister and her family, make too much for subsidies or to participate in the marketplace. They pay much more than I do for healthcare. I believe everyone should pay in what they can, and get at least the basic care. This does not mean that I will just believe anyone who says that they can promise that, especially a politician eyeing the WH.

I have more background in health policy (via non-partisan, self funded sources of information) than the average person. This certainly can be a downer, especially when one sees the holes in the shimmering promises made concerning how "easy" it would be to change everything over without disruption or huge costs incurred by the transition and implementation.

I would love to think that MFA would be everything it's promised to be, but I know enough to see that it is not. No amount of "positive thinking" and "wanting it badly enough" will make it so. LBJ was able to lie about what Medicare and Medicaid would cost, because he knew if he told Congress and the Senate about the cost estimates, it would not pass. We have the CBO now, so there isn't a way to hide or dismiss those details any longer once they score it.

I'm "invested" only in what will actually work, and give some relief now. And neither MFA or single payer will do either.

I hope you or a family member never suffer a serious injury or illness and have to experience the problems with the ACA first hand as I have.

I would bother to tell you why that's based on a false assumption, but I sense that it's more of a passively worded wish.