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PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
41. Troll or Disinfo Victim? Which one?
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 11:15 PM
Mar 2019

It is always short-sighted, not to mention intellectually dishonest, to dismiss anecdotal evidence with trite expressions like "isn't meaningful."

I will assume then that this means you are unaware that anecdotal evidence (someone says something about something having occurred to someone they know personally) forms the very basis of our justice system in that anecdotal evidence is what prompts investigation, which then leads to deposition and discovery, which then leads to formal presentation of both circumstantial and direct evidence, which then finally results in a decision about what has occurred.

"Not meaningful"? I think our forefathers, a number of them lawyers by trade, would disagree.

The mantra about Comey's actions having "no statistical impact" because "the polls said so" is a known right-wing disinformation campaign repeated only by trolls or their hapless victims who, not surprisingly, are never able to point to the study where such data exists.

You know why? BECAUSE THE STUDY HAS NOT BEEN PERFORMED!!! Duh... Not one single American has yet been asked about this in a FORMAL STUDY. Not. One. Single. Person.

Key to this particular troll campaign is the faulty logic of, "But the polls said... therefore!"

In order to understand how this bit of tomfoolery gets over on an otherwise levelheaded, if not exactly critical thinker, it is first helpful to review the definition of "disinfo," particularly in the context of how this trade is plied online:

"DISINFO": "The introduction of faulty logic with implied assertions. The assertions are false and not directly claimed but are derived from the claim."

So, how does that work in the context of this particular disinfo campaign?
Well, what we see is that the "But the polls!" assertion introduces faulty logic by pointing to data that does not directly speak to the claim in any way whatsoever, but that can easily be used to imply a false assertion because of its tangential relationship to the same event (in this case, an election).

In other words, the polls that Honeycombe8 refers to are those that asked the pre-election question, "Who are you voting for?" The poll question was not "Has Director Comey's action influenced your decision?" That measurement was never taken.

Yet, the false assertion is made that you can take the data of a tangentially related question and compare its results before and after an isolated variable (Comey's action), TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHER VARIABLES CAUSING MOVEMENT IN THE DATA POINTS, and derive from that claim supposed "evidence" of the variable that was never measured by the data in the first place.

That, my friend, is the very definition of "faulty logic" and it is used day-in and day-out, 24/7, to push false narratives.

Additionally, because the word association for most people is "polls" = "data" = "statistics" = "analysis," the disinfo receives the additional benefit of easily conflating in the minds of its victims that there has actually been a real "statistical analysis" completed addressing what the disinfo makers fervently do not wish to be analyzed.

So, where does that put us in terms of the goal of this particular disinfo? Well, what we see is that the "But the polls!" disinfo about the impact of Comey on Clinton votes has been and continues to be used as a means of SILENCING ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE and therefore PREVENTING INVESTIGATION, i.e., a formal study that compiles both AFTER-EVENT POLLING and DIRECT TESTIMONY on the matter.

So, what you'll see is the very people who should most want to know the true answer to this question instead have easily been duped into doing the disinfo agents' job for them, thereby preventing truth to be known.

For the record, I don't think you're a troll. I just think you've been trolled.

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Comey.... UpInArms Mar 2019 #1
Exactly. I'm done with Comey. sharedvalues Mar 2019 #6
+1. He's awash in false "integrity" that's a scam... or else he's just a moronic decision maker. JudyM Mar 2019 #13
Nah, he's awash. And yeah, Reid and Obama should have done more. You know if this had been KPN Mar 2019 #22
Right, it's not a level playing field at all... they play dirty and their base supports that. JudyM Mar 2019 #23
We will stop them --eventually. But who knows how many lives will have been ruined, thrown away KPN Mar 2019 #24
Yep. Deal with the Devil. JudyM Mar 2019 #26
Oh, they do. They are just warped. Satan has gotten to them. KPN Mar 2019 #27
. JudyM Mar 2019 #28
At some point we have to recognize that the FBI has Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #2
Harry tried Kurt V. Mar 2019 #3
10/31/16: FBI has 'explosive information' about Trump, Russia - Reid Norman Conkedwest Mar 2019 #4
His releasing of a letter to the republicans in Congress 11 days before the election was a direct still_one Mar 2019 #5
Indeed! Lonestarblue Mar 2019 #7
Exactly. still_one Mar 2019 #11
Comey helped Trump Buzz Lightyear Mar 2019 #8
No, he didn't. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #14
Russia definitely meddled, especially with tons of fake Facebook ads Polybius Mar 2019 #20
Yes, he did. PandoraAwakened Mar 2019 #35
Anecdotal evidence isn't meaningful, when you're talking about millions. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #39
Troll or Disinfo Victim? Which one? PandoraAwakened Mar 2019 #41
No. Comey's Letter was worth about -4pts for Hillary. sharedvalues Mar 2019 #38
The data shows there was no impact. In fact, one poll went UP for her after the Comey Oct surprise. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #40
Faulty logic -- see above reply PandoraAwakened Mar 2019 #42
I prefer data, such that it exists, rather than anecdotes. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #43
No it is not "all we have to go by" PandoraAwakened Mar 2019 #44
Reset PandoraAwakened Mar 2019 #45
The Comey letter probably cost Clinton the election sharedvalues Mar 2019 #46
I've already done this a couple of times. Nate was trying to do a cya to excuse his prediction. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #47
You're conflating two concepts. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #48
Also for the record: Russia ran an influence campaign sharedvalues Apr 2019 #49
Yes he did, Buzz WhiteTara Mar 2019 #19
I don't understand why it wasn't escalated to the DOJ and then the the Attorney General ? MichMan Mar 2019 #9
We'd have to go back in time and analyze that. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #15
Both DOJ and Homeland Security were aware BumRushDaShow Mar 2019 #17
They bitch, yet their cheesy candidate won. Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #10
Reid Is Right DallasNE Mar 2019 #12
The FBI kicked it up to the White House. So he DID do something. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #16
I think Obama and the Dem leadership thought Hillary was a lock to be President running against jalan48 Mar 2019 #18
McConnell refused, and Obama stopped short. I don't know what more Potus could have done elleng Mar 2019 #21
Ask Holder and the DOJ to investigate ? MichMan Mar 2019 #30
I Think What You Are Saying Supplements What I Said Rather Than Refute It DallasNE Mar 2019 #25
At the time Comey was Director.... Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #31
Reid has pancreatic cancer TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #36
This is one big beef I had with Pres. Obama ... LenaBaby61 Mar 2019 #32
Comey is as deplorable as the rest of them lunamagica Mar 2019 #29
Obama stepped back from making this a huge issue for fear of being accused of interfering in allgood33 Mar 2019 #33
knr Baltimike Mar 2019 #34
How about Democrats stop appointing Republicans to top administrative positions? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #37
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