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qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
7. non sequitor
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 01:08 PM
Apr 2019

1. Has nothing to do with sympathy. I was merely responding to the "it's the law" argument as being quite frankly intellectually lazy. If you want to argue WHY the law is correct in this case, feel free. If you want to argue FOR the Supreme Court decision, feel free. Saying "it's the law" is insipid.

2. The death penalty is not a topic that is properly analyzed using emotional arguments. I could as easily point to the innocent people who have been killed. Do you have sympathy for them? How many innocent people must die so you can feel morally clean about executing this guy? Many judges and a jury have found innocent people guilty and they've been killed too.
See, I can make emotional arguments too.

3. Having said 2, the reality is that the DP is not a 100% fool-proof system. Innocent people WILL be executed. So, to have a DP system is to have, by definition, a system that executes at least some innocent people. Unless you have a system in mind that will make 100% sure only the truly deserving and guilty will get it? Or do you have a system where the rich or whites won't get it less than the poor or people of color? Because if you don't have either, then you are saying, I'm ok with a system where the innocent are killed and the poor and POC are more likely to be killed than whites are. You can't bifurcate it and say well...with this guy, he REALLY is guilty so I'm ok with it, because he's not an individual event, he's part of a system.

so yes, the fact that he "isn't black" doesn't mean that the "disparity in the death sentence of black men doesn't apply." It's built into the system that resulted in this man's death. He wasn't part of some separate, non-biased system.

Justice isn't about sympathy. It's about justice. Justice is served by the removal of the offender from society. Put him in a cell. Deprive him. Require him to focus on the brutality of what he has done. There are all sorts of ways to make him recompense for the lives he took. Killing him only satisfies revenge. And if that were all it did, I'd not care all that much. The reality is the system that we use to kill him is racist, biased against the poor, and even sexist (the rare case where men are at a disadvantage here)...and perhaps most important, guaranteed to kill innocent people.

but hey, if you get to exercise your sympathy for the victims...well, I'm sure that's worth a few innocent lives.

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It's time. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #1
Sorry zipplewrath Apr 2019 #2
Since it's the law and that's his sentence, it's time for him to pay for his crimes. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #3
Saying qazplm135 Apr 2019 #4
I wish you were as sympathetic with the man he murdered, the boy he shot at, Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #6
non sequitor qazplm135 Apr 2019 #7
Well said, thank you. mountain grammy Apr 2019 #10
I could accept prohibiting the DP... MicaelS Apr 2019 #39
I'm not sure the need for solitary qazplm135 Apr 2019 #41
Would you say "It's the law" to the gay man who might have avebury Apr 2019 #14
this ruling goes way beyond this man. it is sick and sadistic. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #26
If the law is on the books then this guy needs it. Botany Apr 2019 #5
The death penalty will always be wrong, period. Everyone knows it. Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #8
You'll have to take that up with the states... not SCOTUS FBaggins Apr 2019 #9
Interesting qazplm135 Apr 2019 #12
What you're missing FBaggins Apr 2019 #13
ok...that was one case qazplm135 Apr 2019 #18
Just like the President could push "the button" right now. He absolutely could FBaggins Apr 2019 #21
my mind is boggled right now qazplm135 Apr 2019 #22
Lots of text... but no answer to the key question FBaggins Apr 2019 #24
lol I get that a lot of words may confuse you qazplm135 Apr 2019 #25
You're running in circles FBaggins Apr 2019 #28
sigh...it's like explaining quantum physics to a cat... qazplm135 Apr 2019 #29
Kennedy vs. Kavanaugh FBaggins Apr 2019 #11
Am opposed to the death penalty, DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #15
Undoubtedly you're right. There's no payoff for the ghouls. What would they have to look forward to? Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #16
I suspect the Nazi's use of gas has ruined that particular method even though... EX500rider Apr 2019 #33
CO2 would be painful manicdem Apr 2019 #37
I never realized what dim-wit Gorsuch is. "Choking on blood" is cruel and unusual. marble falls Apr 2019 #17
He ruled that a man fearful for his life abandoned his job projectiboga Apr 2019 #19
The Supreme Court's Conservatives Just Legalized Torture Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #20
So, is this guy unable to tolerate any IVs at all? Is that what the argument is? That even the catbyte Apr 2019 #23
There's more to it than just this one guy. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #27
Part of the reasoning for the decision is that they think it's a delay tactic. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #30
you just ain't fucking getting it!!!! this decision is going to affect a lot more ppl than this guy. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #32
YOU are the one not getting it. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #34
i do apologize for cussing you. and still you aren't getting it. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #35
Ian Millhiser Kurt V. Apr 2019 #36
"What the Eighth Amendment does guarantee is a method of execution that not 'cruel and unusual.'" cstanleytech Apr 2019 #31
From the article: Polybius Apr 2019 #38
Wondering what happen to the guy on death row with dementia...now that case was conflicting n/t Apple Fritter Apr 2019 #40
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