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Denzil_DC

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17. Oh, and in case the FOM argument seems a little parochial because of the way it cropped up here,
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:18 PM
Apr 2019

here's another argument to add to the stack that should have been conducted years ago, certainly before the referendum (and has been expressed in more or less these terms by Sturgeon at various times):

Labour must make a principled case for free movement
Undermining existing rights to free movement undermines the rights of the whole working class. Labour must offer a vision of an open, democratic, egalitarian Britain.

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But Labour’s alternative vision has to be grounded in its principles. There should have never been any serious doubt that Labour would oppose the Immigration Bill. More than this, Corbynism will start to look like shallow, business-as-usual politics if it cannot conduct a principled argument in defence of migration and free movement.

The economic arguments in favour of migration – from its impact on growth to the absence of impact on wages and employment – are clear, robust, empirically-grounded, and politically almost useless. Trying to tackle Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson by waving academic research around is like bringing a spreadsheet to a knife fight. It’s not that people don’t want evidence and research – they do. And they want clear policies that they can see will be workable. But both have to arrive in a context where what really matters is the story we tell about the kind of people we are and the kind of country we want to build.

This political argument is where the left has to win this fight. We defend free movement on the grounds of the solid principle at stake – that we defend the rights of the 3.7 million EU citizens here in Britain, and the 1.3 million UK citizens in the EU – and the defence of that principle should be an important part of Labour’s story.

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Undermining existing rights to free movement undermines the rights of the whole working class: forcing migrants into illegal work or depriving them of protections makes it harder, not easier, to maintain rights for everyone else. And as polling shows, public attitudes on migration are softening markedly. Class politics, growing electoral advantage and – above all – a clear and principled vision of an open, democratic, egalitarian Britain should all point Labour towards a solid defence of existing rights to free movement.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/02/labour-must-make-principled-case-free-movement

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Brexit votes: MPs fail to back proposals again [View all] muriel_volestrangler Apr 2019 OP
I don't know who said it... nycbos Apr 2019 #1
Thing is, more & more people see this is true: Ghost Dog Apr 2019 #2
Have they taken a look at the US? maxsolomon Apr 2019 #6
Long story short: Brexit. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #21
Do they kepp voting? Like forever? Iliyah Apr 2019 #3
All the soft Brexit options and a new referendum vote just went down, so, 11 days to hard Brexit Baclava Apr 2019 #4
These are only indicative votes. Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #5
It sounds just like the "Repeal and Replace" (the ACA) clarion call of the GOP here BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #8
Yes, there are similarities: Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #10
"dozens of MPs next week have a tutorial scheduled" BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #12
No deal Brexit virtually inevitable - EU crazytown Apr 2019 #7
So all of those who vote for ignoramouses and stupid referendums because, well ... let's just KPN Apr 2019 #23
There have been many proposals, none have garnered a majority DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #9
There's still a lot of "not exactly what I/we want, so won't vote for it" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2019 #11
The SNP abstained on that Clarke customs union motion because it didn't include freedom of movement. Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #13
I don't see why that should be a "red line" muriel_volestrangler Apr 2019 #15
But this is a winnowing process. Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #16
Oh, and in case the FOM argument seems a little parochial because of the way it cropped up here, Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #17
"bringing a spreadsheet to a knife fight" Ghost Dog Apr 2019 #18
Not my line, but glad you liked it! Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #19
A handy chart summarizing how the different parties voted: Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #14
I was curious about the 3-4 SNP "abstentions" Denzil_DC Apr 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author turbinetree Apr 2019 #20
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