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156. Interesting back and forth in this sub-thread, sarge.

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 09:35 AM

Sep 2012

Maybe you were on the ground in both Germany and Scotland in the '80's. I'd like to convey my respect for you, even if I'm wrong about the Berlin and Frankfurt part. But I suggest to you that both the La Belle disco bombing and Lockerbie were not Libyan, but neo-nazi perpetrated.

Scotland knows this, and it's the actual reason behind Scotland's 'on humanitarian grounds' release of the Libyan who allegedly masterminded the attack. The plane was blown up to get this guy:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/30/us/law-bar-colleagues-bid-farewell-nazi-hunter-his-quest-ended-modern-murderers.html

The perpetrators of the attack were right-wing elements within our intel, centered around the Gehlen, Barbie, Skorzeny, Von Bolschwing group. After many months spent trying to blame Ahmed Jibril, Abu Nidal, Iran, Palestinians, PFLP, PPSF, all of the sudden our media settled on the 'Libya did it' story. Interesting that the cockroach-like fascist pastor from Florida spent time getting racist followers in Germany.

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FLASH: U.S. Ambassador to Libya, 3 Other Embassy Staff Killed in Rocket Attack in Benghazi [View all] Hissyspit Sep 2012 OP

oh oh this might not end well at all. loli phabay Sep 2012 #1

with a dead ambassador the villagers will be calling for retaliation. not good. TeamPooka Sep 2012 #4

yup killing an ambassador is a big no no and always has been loli phabay Sep 2012 #6

Yeah I was thinking the same thing davidpdx Sep 2012 #55

U.S. ambassador to Libya, three staff killed in rocket attack Bosonic Sep 2012 #2

If true I hope the families sue this piece of shit Jones bigdarryl Sep 2012 #3

He should be throw in jail for instigating this. asjr Sep 2012 #5

You shouldn't kill people because of a movie oberliner Sep 2012 #7

+1 our ire must be at the people who carried out the killing not some idiot movie maker loli phabay Sep 2012 #8

Really Mixed Feelings oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #41

So Terry Jones KNEW his actions would cause troop deaths? alp227 Sep 2012 #149

We can quote oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #152

BLame the idiot film maker 4dsc Sep 2012 #50

That's bullshit... we should protect our freedom of speech. docgee Sep 2012 #87

I think we may validly place an amount of responsibility at the feet of both parties LanternWaste Sep 2012 #120

That's right Scootaloo Sep 2012 #14

not sure if you support the killing of the US ambassador but im sure you will clarify, thanks loli phabay Sep 2012 #17

Oh yes, clearly I do. Pile 'em on. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #30

Too true. Ghost Dog Sep 2012 #43

Perhaps you forgot: oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #54

No, I don't forget. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #56

ALL OF THEM? oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #95

So making Qaddafi "walk small" for a while justifies killing 45 civilians. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #107

So what is your Solution oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #116

I'm saying it's fucking shameful that the US ALWAYS has an excuse for the bodies it creates Scootaloo Sep 2012 #117

Why Blame America? oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #126

well we seem to sit on our hands when it's one of Iran's allies killing his own people azurnoir Sep 2012 #110

Was It Churchill oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #130

Interesting back and forth in this sub-thread, sarge. Mc Mike Sep 2012 #156

Red Army Faction oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #158

The Baader Meinhof mythos Mc Mike Sep 2012 #160

Very clever. Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #65

Huh? oberliner Sep 2012 #20

I agree, they're ridiculous reasons Scootaloo Sep 2012 #33

Those deaths are outrageous as well oberliner Sep 2012 #35

Oh Scootaloo JackInGreen Sep 2012 #40

I agree with you. But still the makers of the film got what they wanted. Lars77 Sep 2012 #32

What purpose was the film trying to serve? AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #99

In theory that is right, but contrary to popular belief, not all countries are democratic, or think still_one Sep 2012 #111

So a person who makes a movie is responsible Missycim Sep 2012 #9

i know the disconnect sometimes when it comes to stuff like this loli phabay Sep 2012 #10

Are you in Terry Jones' congregation? Are you saying he asjr Sep 2012 #15

While I will agree jones is a nut job, I don't agree that words on video Missycim Sep 2012 #23

Pastor Jones should go to Egypt and explain it to them in person. Ian David Sep 2012 #77

Wow let me get this straight Missycim Sep 2012 #90

No, he shouldn't be put to death. Ian David Sep 2012 #91

Don't be cute Missycim Sep 2012 #92

Are you saying he doesn't have a compelling argument to make? n/t Ian David Sep 2012 #103

I don't know Missycim Sep 2012 #113

Here Ash_F Sep 2012 #133

Not sure what is worse this film or that ppl believe it. axollot Sep 2012 #144

the irony is that the movie maker is also a religious nut job... mike_c Sep 2012 #135

You know you can Missycim Sep 2012 #136

Should Bill Maher be thrown in jail too? rad51 Sep 2012 #13

Not all speech is protected. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #16

if we go by the standards of religious nuts then just about everything would be banned loli phabay Sep 2012 #18

this is my point exactly Missycim Sep 2012 #25

However if we go by the standards of intelligent people rather than libertarian fuckwits... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #37

"Libertarian fuckwits?" Like the ACLU, perhaps? LAGC Sep 2012 #86

Ah yes, "Religion of peace" in quotes Scootaloo Sep 2012 #94

What about American media that mocks Christians? alp227 Sep 2012 #150

Totally agree. AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #132

The movie doesn't urge anyone to riot oberliner Sep 2012 #26

Jud S�� must be a favorite comedy of yours, then. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #45

so if a pro-choice advocate made a incendiary video on abortion Missycim Sep 2012 #27

Try this example. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #51

I am sure there are many videos Missycim Sep 2012 #60

Do you know why you don't see this reaction from Christians, Missy? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #69

I think you meant "a hundred and fifty thousand", not "million" (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #74

You're correct n/t Scootaloo Sep 2012 #82

"we've killed 150 million Iraqis" Psephos Sep 2012 #79

I meant thousand. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #85

Actually, try this example... rayofreason Sep 2012 #142

If the film maker had reason to believe that bombing would be the result then yes azurnoir Sep 2012 #98

Have you seen the video? rad51 Sep 2012 #29

Here Ash_F Sep 2012 #34

Like I thought. rad51 Sep 2012 #44

Agreed. Want to know a fun drinking game? Ash_F Sep 2012 #49

Pretty sure it's against DU rules to urge others to liver failure Scootaloo Sep 2012 #52

No, the investors got exactly what they wanted Scootaloo Sep 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author rad51 Sep 2012 #58

I'm sure you do Scootaloo Sep 2012 #71

Let me get this straight leftynyc Sep 2012 #66

When you "get it straight" give me a call Scootaloo Sep 2012 #81

Unmitigated horseshit leftynyc Sep 2012 #93

Who said anything about "not being able to help themselves"? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #100

More crap leftynyc Sep 2012 #109

I know; but you're not calling the filmmakers assholes Scootaloo Sep 2012 #121

You best get a hold of your temper leftynyc Sep 2012 #131

Being openly gay incites some religious bigots to riot 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #124

if you're a fucking moron trying to make a facetious point, sure Scootaloo Sep 2012 #125

The discussion is on what it takes to get religious nuts to riot 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #128

So much for the 1st Amendment. I always thought it was popular on here. shakeemondown Sep 2012 #118

the responsibility for these killings lies with the killers rollin74 Sep 2012 #143

Will you shut up there? Biafran Sep 2012 #19

sharia law? oh please the film makers admit they knew the film would incite violence azurnoir Sep 2012 #106

The responsibility for violence lies with the party committing the violence. Jester Messiah Sep 2012 #108

again if I knew that ahead of time and did it anyway then I would have some responsibility azurnoir Sep 2012 #114

For making a movie? leftynyc Sep 2012 #63

How about they sue the religious fuckwits who can't abide free speech instead? [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2012 #105

Yes it's clearly his fault these people are ignorant and violence prone 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #123

So when Bill Maher makes emilyg Sep 2012 #148

This is awful oberliner Sep 2012 #11

Michael van Poppel ‏@mpoppel GRAPHIC PHOTO: AFP photo shows man resembling U.S. Ambassador Stevens Hissyspit Sep 2012 #12

Here is the man Ash_F Sep 2012 #24

The Libyan interior ministry is now confirming the US ambassador's death. pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #21

US rocket coming back? rootProbiscus Sep 2012 #22

Not an act of a government oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #59

Weapons from the US were not given to Qaddafi rootProbiscus Sep 2012 #72

Yep oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #97

Only the killers and their masters are to blame. I love weed Sep 2012 #139

Weird. oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #147

The end result of religious bigotry on rateyes Sep 2012 #28

I feel if this film maker had more of a left bent Missycim Sep 2012 #31

What? Cooley Hurd Sep 2012 #38

If he had more of a left bent, he wouldn't have made a film like that. Ash_F Sep 2012 #42

I am sorry, Missycim Sep 2012 #48

Such a thing would not be liberal minded either. Ash_F Sep 2012 #57

i've seen videos of people who mock Missycim Sep 2012 #62

Somehow, I doubt they were comparable to this... Ash_F Sep 2012 #83

The Last Temptation of Christ for starters leftynyc Sep 2012 #68

I am not arguing for equivalency Ash_F Sep 2012 #89

It wasn't directed at you leftynyc Sep 2012 #96

I am not Christian so maybe I just don't understand. Ash_F Sep 2012 #112

More of a left bent? .99center Sep 2012 #75

Strange How the Story Changes with Different "News" Services triplepoint Sep 2012 #36

You need to edit your post to include only 4 paragraphs of the referenced article CottonBear Sep 2012 #39

Will Foreign Policy issues overshadow the Economy as the major Election issue? TroyD Sep 2012 #47

My take disidoro01 Sep 2012 #53

Amen leftynyc Sep 2012 #73

Hating an offensive movie is no excuse for killing people. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #61

True TroyD Sep 2012 #70

By the by Missycim Sep 2012 #64

President Obama "strongly condemns the outrageous attack" TroyD Sep 2012 #67

Romney is pissed that President Obama didn't use the opportunity to make them MORE mad. n/t Ian David Sep 2012 #76

To the Libyan People Botany Sep 2012 #78

Another Mess outsideworld Sep 2012 #80

I'm so sorry Lefta Dissenter Sep 2012 #84

Repug treason causing another US foreign policy crisis, to mess with US elections, again. Mc Mike Sep 2012 #88

Its really notable that NONE of the Arab Spring cheerleaders are on this thread. None. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #115

Both schools of thought have a point. Mc Mike Sep 2012 #155

Repug Rep. Issa's 'oversight' is the icing on the nazi cake Mc Mike Oct 2012 #163

Are the repugs REALLY running on 9-11 (2012) security failures? Mc Mike Oct 2012 #164

Very notable, indeed suffragette Sep 2012 #157

Howdee, Suff. Mc Mike Sep 2012 #159

Something about all this is feeling manufactured to me suffragette Sep 2012 #161

I missed most Pro and Con arguments on Arab Spring issues Mc Mike Sep 2012 #162

It's being suggested that Gadhafi loyalists were involved azurnoir Sep 2012 #101

I'm so glad we toppled that moderate Gaddhaffi and put a bunch of Muslim extremists in NoMoreWarNow Sep 2012 #102

The clue to this was right in the CNN sentence - TBF Sep 2012 #137

it's terrible being a Cassandra mainer Sep 2012 #141

So what's the right move going forward? Jester Messiah Sep 2012 #104

Unworkable Bragi Sep 2012 #129

FUCK. Not Good At All. jsr Sep 2012 #119

Low class Livluvgrow Sep 2012 #122

A modest proposal -- Obama should DEFEND and EXPLAIN free speech Bragi Sep 2012 #127

Wouldn't have happened without so-called "R2P." David__77 Sep 2012 #134

true AndySipowicz Sep 2012 #145

Any Moderate Muslim responses... MyTwoSense Sep 2012 #138

this heaven05 Sep 2012 #140

ironic AndySipowicz Sep 2012 #146

Did anyone notice Romneys smirk today before his speach? darkangel218 Sep 2012 #151

Kick! n/t Tx4obama Sep 2012 #153

Bad Day In Libya & Egypt elbloggoZY27 Sep 2012 #154