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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
17. Well, I agree; I know they are not free
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jan 2012

However, several things: let's not argue about single-payer health care here (I'm all for it). Let's deal with what happens in the current, real world when you suspect your child may be seriously ill: hospitals will take on charity cases, especially for a child with treatable cancer; there are also, as I mentioned, the CHIPS program, through which this family, if poor enough, could have gotten free insurance for their children, or many foundations that deal with financing cases like this. I don't believe the doctor quoted in the article was saying that any time someone goes to an emergency room that it is free.

Second, I bet if one of your children started displaying truly serious symptoms, that you would not care what the eventual cost would be, even if you knew it would put you in the poor house. You sound like the kind of person, like most of us, who would give their right arm for their children. It shouldn't have to come to that in this country. But given what it is now, especially until the ACA goes into full effect, we have to turn to other means. We will soon have universal, though not single-payer insurance. And these people, on a low income and with 6 children, would surely qualify for a full subsidy for insurance, if not Medicaid. In fact, I'm surprised these people were not on Medicaid as it was. It just sounds like they didn't participate in much of anything, including sending their kids to school.

As for your insurer not paying up for the ambulance ride, I can't tell you why. Did they say? I believe our insurance charges $100 for an emergency room visit. I remember paying it after the police found my husband lying unconscious on the side of the road, on top of his bicycle and took him to a hospital 25 miles away. (PS: They made me take him home with a fractured shoulder, 4 broken ribs, and a punctured lung!) There was an ambulance involved in that, but I don't recall that we had to pay for it. However, I remember several months later, when his doctors sent him to the emergency room when a hematoma incurred from the same accident got the size of a grapefruit and his whole leg was swollen, that we didn't pay anything: because he had to be admitted straight into the hospital (staph infection). I think that's how it works--probably, to discourage people from using the emergency room for things that are not serious.

I wish things were different. But, again, I don't think we can draw too many lessons about health care in society from this particular case. These parents were negligent in some way, have pled guilty, and need to get their act together for the sake of their other kids.

I know how hard it is to have to pay for health costs when you are uninsured: when our daughter was in her early twenties and lost her job and had no insurance, we nearly went broke paying for care and a hospitalization. It took us a number of years to recuperate from it. If ACA had been in effect then, we could have put her onto our insurance, because she was not then 26. So some things have gotten better in the last 3 years.

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Like something out of Dickens. People jailed because they didn't have health insurance. yardwork Jan 2012 #1
I don't think this is about not having insurance frazzled Jan 2012 #4
I'm so sick of this "Emergency room is free" bullshit. evilkumquat Jan 2012 #5
So you let your kid die frazzled Jan 2012 #10
Not saying let the kids die, nor saying these parents aren't at least partial guilty evilkumquat Jan 2012 #15
Well, I agree; I know they are not free frazzled Jan 2012 #17
what happens when you suspect your child is seriously ill... lame54 Jan 2012 #34
what happens when you suspect your child is seriously ill... unapatriciated Jan 2012 #35
YOU know your children better than their doctors do leftynyc Jan 2012 #38
It was my threat to sue that finally got the blood test done. unapatriciated Jan 2012 #45
They made no such choice spotbird Jan 2012 #23
You are correct and any sensible person will not use the ER Tumbulu Jan 2012 #27
If they thought he had swollen glands, they would not take him to the emergency room. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #11
See expanded information below, plus they pled guilty frazzled Jan 2012 #13
They were jailed because they criminally neglected their children--see post 6 below.nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #8
I appreciate the additional info. Thanks. yardwork Jan 2012 #22
Who TF thought it would be a good idea to prosecute these people Gman Jan 2012 #2
Six kids, none in school--moved to avoid Child Protective Services--see post 6. msanthrope Jan 2012 #7
That gives a different perspective on the matter. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #12
Hang the bastards Gman Jan 2012 #21
agreed. there has to be more to this. :( roguevalley Jan 2012 #3
These bastards deserved more time--More info on case-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #6
Thanks for this. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #9
From the Wash. Post: Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #14
you left quite a bit out- here from your link azurnoir Jan 2012 #16
there's 3 paragraph limit Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #19
But when an insurance company does it... Duer 157099 Jan 2012 #18
If they had claimed they were relying on prayer... Deep13 Jan 2012 #20
something no one here has mentioned the family was being under the auspices azurnoir Jan 2012 #24
the washington post article said that their social worker told them not to get the lump Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #25
The same article says that social services had been involved since July of 2007 azurnoir Jan 2012 #26
How believable is that? LisaL Jan 2012 #28
but if that is true how was it that social services was involved for at least 6 months azurnoir Jan 2012 #29
The LAST thing CPS does is help families mntleo2 Jan 2012 #30
Thank you well said n/t azurnoir Jan 2012 #33
CPS workers are not well paid bluestateguy Jan 2012 #37
It is not the CPS worker for which I am speaking ... mntleo2 Jan 2012 #41
What makes them dangerous is enormous power + little understanding 2 Much Tribulation Jan 2012 #44
Thank-you, you said it all in a nutshell! nt mntleo2 Jan 2012 #48
That is NOT my experience with my State's Children, Youth and Families (CYF). happyslug Jan 2012 #40
Relatives are usually the LAST consideration for these kids mntleo2 Jan 2012 #42
This is a PN parent story you might "like".... mntleo2 Jan 2012 #47
+1 for being very VERY true nt 2 Much Tribulation Jan 2012 #43
Just not enough information Stonepounder Jan 2012 #31
more articles with background info alp227 Jan 2012 #32
These folks are the Teabaggers' and Libertarians' Dream Parents Tsiyu Jan 2012 #36
they're picketing Planned Parenthood clinics in the name of "LIFE! LIFE!" alp227 Jan 2012 #46
But under no circumstances - once you're out of the uterus- dare Tsiyu Jan 2012 #49
If we had an Obama's health care plan Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #39
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