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Scootaloo

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39. Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. "Criticism," for example
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:33 AM
Sep 2012

It doesn't mean "insult." let's you and I explore this word together, with the help of Wikipedia.

Criticism is the practice of judging the merits and faults of something or someone in an intelligible (or articulate) way.


Already we're seeing the difference here, aren't we? For starters, to criticize something, one must actually be informed about it. There's no way to have an intelligible critique of something that you are ignorant about. The more informed you are, the more weight your criticism carries. Without being informed of a subject, you can't actually discuss the merits or flaws of it, right? Criticism also relies on presenting an argument. That is, you have to actually put words together to make the case for your criticism.

Think of movie critics. Even Jay Sherman of "The Critic" had shit to say before his ubiquitous "it stinks!" panning of the (fake) film. A critic who just said "lol this sucks and the director is a goon what a loser lol" and nothing else... would be out of a job.

To criticize does not necessarily imply "to find fault", but the word is often taken to mean the simple expression of an objection against prejudice, or a disapproval. Often criticism involves active disagreement, but it may only mean "taking sides". It could just be an exploration of the different sides of an issue. Fighting is not necessarily involved.

Criticism is often presented as something unpleasant, but it need not be. It could be friendly criticism, amicably discussed, and some people find great pleasure in criticism ("keeping people sharp", "providing the critical edge&quot . The Pulitzer Prize for Criticism has been presented since 1970 to a newspaper writer who has demonstrated 'distinguished criticism'.


In short, it's possible to provide criticism without being a complete fucking cock. At the core, to criticize is the explore the subject and provide an opinion on it. Even tense subjects can be criticized without sending people home feeling mad or insulted. If your intent going in is to create such feelings among those being criticized, you're already failing as a critic; your task is not to belittle or make others feel horrible, but to expose and discuss on the strengths and flaws of their positions, ideas, creations, etc. Indeed if your goal is just to piss on people's heads, that just makes you a bully and a douchebag, not a critic.

of course, some people will always go away mad no matter what. It's not the point of the exercise to mollify hurt feelings, any more than it is to create them. However the onus falls on the critic to try to avoid deliberate antagonism of their subject; if they get pissed anyway, well, that's kind of their twisted panties, and the critic - ideally - can just say "I tried my best."

Criticism as an evaluative or corrective exercise can occur in any area of human life. Criticism can therefore take many different forms. How exactly people go about criticizing, can vary a great deal. In specific areas of human endeavour, the form of criticism can be highly specialized and technical; it often requires professional knowledge to understand the criticism.


Finally, criticism has goals. A critic is trying to accomplish something, trying to get a change, or at least a reevaluation of the subject. Criticism is not for its own sake, it has form and purpose. Think of your teachers in school. Did they correct your mistakes and provide you with information on how to do better, or did they just ball up the paper and say "fuck you, asshole"?

When you engage in criticism, you set an agenda for yourself. "This is the problem, this is what I think needs to be fixed, these are the arguments I will present in the hopes of getting them fixed." In the course of this you are also going to accept the possibility that you don't know as much as you think you do, or that the other side is just going to say "no." You can of course press on - many critics do, which is why "The Phantom Menace" looks like a pit bull's favorite chew toy. But kicking and screaming isn't going to get your arguments any more accepted.

Now, if we have a better understanding of the term "criticism," let's go back to the subject; Mohammed cartoons.

So, if these are "criticisms," what, exactly, are they criticizing? Islam? How? What aspect of the idea is being explored for criticism here? is it the Islamic prohibition against depictions of the human form (not just Mohammed)? if that's the case, then what is the argument being presented? How informed are the critics of the idea they are criticizing? Can they at least make an opening presentation without intentional antagonism? Can they carry on the discussion in a rational manner, or do they just descend into kicking shit?

A study of the material at hand makes it fairly clear that these aren't actually criticisms. They're just insults, someone going "HEY MUSLIMS, FUCK YOU RAGHEADS HAHAHAHAHA!" While some people may respect that sort of thing (or, if nothing else respect its legality in the US) there's really no way to call it "criticism." All that is happening when people do this and call it "criticism" is that they are chodes who think they can pretend to be high-minded and intellectual. "gasp! How dare you accuse me of being an asshole, I'm criticizing!"

Contrary to your bullshit claim, no one is saying that religion should get a pass - least of all me. I'm of the opinion that religion is at its very core, a system for subverting ethical behavior and replacing it with a hazy, tribal set of laws known as "morals," which are almost universally antithetical to decent life as a human being. Yeah, don't accuse me of wanting to give religion a pass. I'm saying there is a right way to criticize it, a wrong way to criticize it, and as we see is the case with this instance, a non-way to criticize it.

Nor is there any real lack of criticism of religion, or Islam in specific. Stop with this horse shit where you pretend that there's some sort of gag rule on the subject. There's not, quite the opposite. Lack of support for your biases and hatreds and insults DOES NOT equal "censorship." People thinking you're an asshole when you do asshole things is not opression. You are not a tragic figure victimized by Sharia law or whatever shit you might have swimming in your head.

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These are physiologically mature human beings 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #1
no first amendment in France, so no worries nt msongs Sep 2012 #2
But there are laws protecting freedom of speech marshall Sep 2012 #18
Yeah! Let''s cater to the pscot Sep 2012 #3
+100 emilyg Sep 2012 #4
Yea ...let's include the Westboro gang of idiots too. L0oniX Sep 2012 #11
better than letting the crazies win, alp227 Sep 2012 #15
Cowards. Mr.Turnip Sep 2012 #5
So the "provocation" is condemned, but not the riots, threats, and violence? NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #6
Let's not offend the Middle East equivalent of the KKK! Dash87 Sep 2012 #7
"freedom of speech" does not apply everywhere or for everything. Read the 1st amendment and learn. uppityperson Sep 2012 #9
Obviously this is France's call, but in our case, Dash87 Sep 2012 #21
Pointless provocation rachel1 Sep 2012 #8
So we should censor our selfs for bigots iandhr Sep 2012 #13
According to cowardly politicians fujiyama Sep 2012 #22
Neither Judaism nor Christianity is mocked? Seriously? uppityperson Sep 2012 #27
That not what I said iandhr Sep 2012 #54
Judaism and Christianity christx30 Sep 2012 #64
Agreed iandhr Sep 2012 #68
I was thinking christx30 Sep 2012 #69
Have you ever heard the maxim, "don't be an asshole?" Scootaloo Sep 2012 #28
I hate to break this to you, JoeyT Sep 2012 #30
In France? The US? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #31
Yes, any criticism of religion makes you an asshole. JoeyT Sep 2012 #37
Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. "Criticism," for example Scootaloo Sep 2012 #39
For the most part, JoeyT Sep 2012 #53
I agree with you -- it's possible to disapprove of something without demanding it be criminalized Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2012 #56
You should proofread more Scootaloo Sep 2012 #65
No, it isn't criticism. JoeyT Sep 2012 #67
I imagine every demographic has its sacred cows. LanternWaste Sep 2012 #59
I could say that about a lot of Christian bashing going on in the US Missycim Sep 2012 #45
The principle remains the same Scootaloo Sep 2012 #46
What were your thoughts on Piss Christ? joeglow3 Sep 2012 #32
I was five, so I didn't have any such thoughts. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #34
Two excellent posts in a row there Nihil Sep 2012 #42
I am glad to see your consistency joeglow3 Sep 2012 #49
yeah, thats what the OP said.. iamthebandfanman Sep 2012 #29
Some DU'ers evidently take great offense... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #36
Provocation of fascists is never pointless. Codeine Sep 2012 #23
I haven't heard of anyone being forced to view the material slackmaster Sep 2012 #50
Yay for more pointless provocation and violence! Earth_First Sep 2012 #10
true... the timing is suspect fascisthunter Sep 2012 #17
You have no idea if it's pointless leftynyc Sep 2012 #40
The point is to draw out and identify people who haven't moved into the 21st Century yet slackmaster Sep 2012 #51
In a free society if you can't publish religious satire in a comedy newspaper... iandhr Sep 2012 #12
I'm pretty sure that no one's been murdered because of this image yet, either: harmonicon Sep 2012 #20
Wow. Offensive. Distasteful. Disgusting. fujiyama Sep 2012 #33
was that from one of the parties by that romney guy ? JI7 Sep 2012 #41
I doubt his parties are that diverse. (nt) harmonicon Sep 2012 #47
Wow. Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #52
I don't think so. harmonicon Sep 2012 #58
Yeah, but it's subtle as hell. Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #61
how shaky is your faith if it is threatened by CARTOONS? Skittles Sep 2012 #14
well, Those that sensitive better get over it, especially in this info age fascisthunter Sep 2012 #16
Good for them. I'm sick of religious extremists and apologists. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #19
omG, time to flood these backwards countries /w the internets and billions of cartoons from ALL Sunlei Sep 2012 #24
The editors should hand deliver copies to Cairo and Benghazi. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #25
Must be a slow day at the offices of said satirical weekly. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #26
Freedom of speech does not mean... davidthegnome Sep 2012 #35
You're trying to lay the blame on the wrong people Major Nikon Sep 2012 #55
Well said and spot on. glacierbay Sep 2012 #60
That might be the case davidthegnome Sep 2012 #70
The same magazine did this before less than a year ago azurnoir Sep 2012 #38
Q: "why are they doing (it) again now?" Nihil Sep 2012 #43
Yes, I agree. potone Sep 2012 #72
France in embassy alert over Prophet Muhammad cartoons dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #44
The Muslim World needs to grow the fuck up... Odin2005 Sep 2012 #48
You should learn to tell the difference between "the Muslim World" ronnie624 Sep 2012 #62
Funny how *some* broad brushes are apparently better than others ... Nihil Sep 2012 #71
France seems to be handling this quite well Bragi Sep 2012 #57
Well, not so fast... Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #63
French Cartoon of Jew and Muhammed Sparks Anger oberliner Sep 2012 #66
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