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RainDog

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90. yes. this study looked at harm from avg., not heavy cannabis use
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jan 2012

when smoked.

the heavy use of cannabis can demonstrate problems for some people.

I think that people may get a little enthusiastic about this issue because of the antitumor qualities demonstrated by cannabinoids (at least two of them at this point, it seems.)

The scientists in the article mention this issue - they speculate that there is some protective quality from THC or CBD that is demonstrated by the improved lung function for MODERATE cannabis smokers based upon other studies that have demonstrated this same function.

That doesn't mean there are no harmful particulants introduced into people's lungs from smoking anything. Since cannabis use now has moved to smoking only the THC intense buds, rather than leaves, people use less plant material than in the past - the equivalent of one or two draws from a cigarette, rather than an entire cigarette, for example.

anyway -

This study from 1975 demonstrated the use of cannabis for asthma.

(I'm posting a link that goes directly to the article but it you google the title, you can obtain the study as a pdf doc.)

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/tashkin/tashkin1.htm

Effects of Smoked Marijuana in Experimentally Induced Asthma

After experimental induction of acute bronchospasm in 8 subjects with clinically stable bronchial asthma, effects of 500 mg of smoked marijuana (2.0 per cent Delta 9-tetrahydrodrocannabinol) on specific airway conductance and thoracic gas volume were compared with those of 500 mg of smoked placebo marijuana (0.0 per cent Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol), 0.25 ml of aerosolized saline, and 0.25 ml of aerosolized isoproterenol (1,250 ug).

Bronchospasm was induced on 4 separate occasions, by inhalation of methacholine and, on four other occasions, by exercise on a bicycle ergometer or treadmill. Methacholine and exercise caused average decreases in specific airway conductance of 40 to 55 per cent and 30 to 39 per cent, respectively, and average increases in thoracic gas volume of 35 to 43 per cent and 25 to 35 per cent, respectively.

After methacholine-induced bronchospasm, placebo marijuana and saline inhalation produced minimal changes in speci! fic airway conductance and thoracic gas volume, whereas 2.0 per cent marijuana and isoproterenol each caused a prompt correction of the bronchospasm and associated hyperinflation. After exercise-induced bronchospasm, placebo marijuana and saline were followed by gradual recovery during 30 to 60 min, whereas 2.0 per cent marijuana and isoproterenol caused an immediate reversal of exercise-induced asthma and hyperinflation.


Another study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1429361/

Abstract
1 delta1-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol, (delta1-THC) produces bronchodilatation in asthmatic patients. 2 Administered in 62 microliter metered volumes containing 50--200 microgram by inhalation from an aerosol device to patients judged to be in a steady state, it increased peak expiratory flow rate (PEFR) and forced expiratory volume in 1 second (FEV1). 3 The rate of onset, magnitude, and duration of the bronchodilator effect was dose related.

Another one

Acute Effects of Smoked Marijuana on Specific Airway Conductance in Asthma Subjects
American Review of Respiratory Disease, Volume 109, 1974, p. 420-428

By Donald P. Tashkin, Bertrand J. Shapiro, and Ira M. Frank

SUMMARY: The acute effects of smoked 2 per cent natural marijuana (7 mg per kg) and 15 mg of oral delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) on plethysmographically determined airway resistance (Raw) and specific airway conductance (SGaw) were compared with those of placebo in 10 subjects with stable bronchial asthma using a double-blind crossover technique. After smoked marijuana, SGaw increased immediately and remained significantly elevated (33 to 48 per cent above initial control values) for at least 2 hours, whereas Sgaw did not change after placebo. The peak bronchodilator effect of 1,250 mcg of isoproterenol was more pronounced than that of marijuana, but the effect of marijuana lasted longer.

After ingestion of 15 mg of THC, SGaw was elevated significantly at 1 and 2 hours, and Raw was reduced significantly at 1 to 4 hours, whereas no changes were noted after placebo. These findings indicated that in the asthmatic subjects, both smoked marijuana and oral THC caused significant bronchodilation of at least 2 hours' duration.

Introduction

In the nineteenth century, one of the medicinal uses of marijuana was in the therapy of bronchial asthma (1); however, no definite evidence of its effectiveness as a bronchodilator was adduced until recent studies demonstrated significant airway dilatation in healthy young men after both the smoking of marijuana (2,3) and the ingestion of its principal psychoactive ingredient delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) (3). Whether similar effects could be elicited in subjects with bronchospastic disease was of interest because the irritant effect of marijuana smoke, which is probably responsible for the symptoms of bronchitis attributed to heavy or chronic marijuana smoking (4,5), might outweigh the bronchodilator properties of delta-9-THC, thereby resulting in bronchospasm in patients with hyper-reactive airways. Consequently, the acute effects of both inhaled marijuana smoke and oral delta-9-THC on specific airway conductance (SGaw) were investigated in a group of patients with clinically stable bronchial asthma.


It is counter intuitive to assume any smoked material might have a positive effect - with current uses of vaporizers or sublingual cannabis meds, tho, smoking can be avoided.

Cannabis that contains CBD as well as THC seems to be useful b/c of the anti-inflammatory and anti-anxiety properties of CDB.
Some folks are sayin' pot smoking turns your lungs into prunes ... Bozita Jan 2012 #1
Really. A prune? 1Greensix Jan 2012 #35
Those "Some Folks" need a alfredo Jan 2012 #38
Look for this to get misconstrued by the Pot is Safer Than Water Committee nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #2
Cannabis is non-toxic. tridim Jan 2012 #5
Yes, everyone knows drawing unfiltered smoke into the lungs cannot possibly do any harm. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #6
I didn't say anything about drawing unfiltered smoke into the lungs tridim Jan 2012 #7
Do you know anything about the OP article? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #9
My comment was in response to your idiotic post, not the article. tridim Jan 2012 #10
Boo hoo, you don't like my opinion. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #12
Ironically you could probably use a toke or two. tridim Jan 2012 #16
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #26
it was used in floor wax... wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #33
Good one. n/t ronnie624 Jan 2012 #61
the one that scientifically contradicts your opinion? frylock Jan 2012 #31
Logical error at work here. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #65
not more harm than the poluted air itself! nt wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #8
here ya go, hater RainDog Jan 2012 #15
Cancer is the only possible respiratory illness? Wow, who knew. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #18
there's also this RainDog Jan 2012 #22
I am absolutely for legalization. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #25
I don't think anything is safe for everyone RainDog Jan 2012 #32
Instead of the idiotic request to have everyone here prove a negative, why don't you prove EOTE Jan 2012 #63
How can anyone possibly believe that breathing in smoke is good for your health? randome Jan 2012 #64
Ahhh, so you ignore the science as well? EOTE Jan 2012 #70
The studies have had mixed results. randome Jan 2012 #72
The studies do NOT have mixed results. EOTE Jan 2012 #73
Mixed results. randome Jan 2012 #75
So these "mixed results" you're referring to is a person saying "Others have found hints of harm." EOTE Jan 2012 #76
there were three different articles posted on this study yesterday RainDog Jan 2012 #83
straws are the only thing possible to grasp here. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #69
What would replace aging cells? AlphaCentauri Jan 2012 #39
I don't understand the question RainDog Jan 2012 #41
read the article ffs.. frylock Jan 2012 #29
The two halves of your post do not relate. Threedifferentones Jan 2012 #56
Did you even read the article? EOTE Jan 2012 #62
calling anything "non-toxic" is like a giant blinking red light to anyone who knows what toxic means enki23 Jan 2012 #44
If it ever kills someone I'll take it back. It is a fact that Cannabis is non-toxic. tridim Jan 2012 #46
what's the established toxicity level for cannabis? RainDog Jan 2012 #51
here it is RainDog Jan 2012 #52
Toxicity level is: Oldenuff Jan 2012 #54
LOL. RainDog Jan 2012 #84
what is the lethal dose? Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #71
Weed is safer than a lot of water in this country, which says more about the water than the weed. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #17
and not as flammable Mnpaul Jan 2012 #114
are they anything like the "i got nothing so let me pull my opinion outta my ass" committee? frylock Jan 2012 #30
You can overdose on water.... DLine Jan 2012 #36
False. boppers Jan 2012 #112
Yeah, like I said.... DLine Jan 2012 #115
What, the Michael Phelps angle? underpants Jan 2012 #37
Angry, sarcastic and completely uninformed. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #58
Pot is safer than water, objectively and scientifically speaking. EOTE Jan 2012 #77
Maybe it's all that weed I've smoked, but it seems half your posts are imaginary arguments no one Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #78
The only adverse side-effect of cannabis use is jail. tridim Jan 2012 #3
Che Guevara smoked marijuana to relive asthma Mimosa Jan 2012 #4
My friend was a Marine Charlemagne Jan 2012 #11
Im sorry to hear about your friend AlecBGreen Jan 2012 #21
quickly becoming an irrelevant issue musiclawyer Jan 2012 #13
It is far past time that we legalize it and at the very least put that part of the stupid drug war slay Jan 2012 #14
It's 2012 and we're still debating pot. Loge23 Jan 2012 #19
+1+1 n/t LittleGirl Jan 2012 #47
sure there is... nebenaube Jan 2012 #97
But Pres. Raygun haydukelives Jan 2012 #20
He should know! (nt) Loge23 Jan 2012 #23
I have no doubt that Reagan tried MJ and other drugs when he was young waddirum Jan 2012 #43
I want MJ legalized but have heard differently from doctors jumptheshadow Jan 2012 #24
My brother's oncologist told him to use a dflprincess Jan 2012 #42
I've always questioned that where does it come from? LittleGirl Jan 2012 #48
of course they say it is bad for you.. Oldenuff Jan 2012 #55
Skeptical. caseymoz Jan 2012 #27
Why would you say "no way"? EOTE Jan 2012 #66
Because, if pot is natural, smoking absolutely is not. caseymoz Jan 2012 #86
How about responding to the science rather than attempting to play scientist? EOTE Jan 2012 #87
Oh, are you saying that smoking doesn't occur in nature isn't a scientific fact? caseymoz Jan 2012 #91
No, I'm saying that's a ridiculous strawman. EOTE Jan 2012 #92
It's only irrelevant to you because you don't want to consider it. caseymoz Jan 2012 #102
It's a strawman because it has nothing to do with the facts. EOTE Jan 2012 #105
And yes, that's rather unscientific. EOTE Jan 2012 #106
Oh, and it looks like marijuana, even smoked, IS an effective treatment for asthma. EOTE Jan 2012 #93
Oh, read my response to that. caseymoz Jan 2012 #95
All the available information suggests that marijuana alleviates the symptoms of asthma EOTE Jan 2012 #96
yes. this study looked at harm from avg., not heavy cannabis use RainDog Jan 2012 #90
First study had eight, second had five and the third had ten subjects. caseymoz Jan 2012 #94
you know, it is currently accepted as a medical reason for cannabis too RainDog Jan 2012 #99
No, it isn't a total bullshit misrepresentation. caseymoz Jan 2012 #103
Yes. It is total bullshit RainDog Jan 2012 #107
'Relative harmless' isn't the issue. randome Jan 2012 #108
LOL RainDog Jan 2012 #109
In other words, HIS statement was bullshit. caseymoz Jan 2012 #110
LOL RainDog Jan 2012 #113
We have been smoking since we discovered fire. n/t nebenaube Jan 2012 #98
Yes, and it's well-known that every animal makes fire. caseymoz Jan 2012 #100
if you're interested RainDog Jan 2012 #101
Not being sarcastic, but I'll set aside Thursday to watch. caseymoz Jan 2012 #104
First Vid: caseymoz Jan 2012 #111
finally mdmc Jan 2012 #28
EAT it! much more efficient, less waste of the good stuff, no smoking reqd nt msongs Jan 2012 #34
the avant garde is juicing raw cannabis waddirum Jan 2012 #45
I saw this the other day, very exciting. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #59
How does this work? EOTE Jan 2012 #67
don't think of it as "getting high" waddirum Jan 2012 #74
Very interesting. EOTE Jan 2012 #79
Please repost this, with the vid, in the Drug Policy forum as a stand-alone post RainDog Jan 2012 #85
Spam deleted by azurnoir (MIR Team) RawHemp Jan 2013 #117
Such a waste scuzati Jan 2012 #40
Or ... such a *profit* SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2012 #81
Vaporizing the substance removes the toxins, period. As does eating the wonderful brownies. byronius Jan 2012 #49
Many top creatives use cannabis. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #60
I'm in California, and let me tell you how bad it's gotten here DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #82
Your post sounds like you're having an argument with yourself lunatica Jan 2012 #88
It is becoming increasingly difficult to justify leaving pot possession illegal. totodeinhere Jan 2012 #50
been smokin' daily, in the morning and in the evening, sometimes during the day, Scout Jan 2012 #53
if i get a little bit of a cough, AlbertCat Jan 2012 #57
Doesnt damage lungs, doesnt impair motor skills, isnt addictive, dozens of legitimate medical uses Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #68
I'm not someone that every wants to use drugs or support them personally.. Corruption Winz Jan 2012 #80
There's so much more to Marijuana than the drug that truly benefits society lunatica Jan 2012 #89
Hmm David Jeffrey Spetch Jan 2012 #116
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