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22. A lot of student and smaller indie type films...

Thu Sep 20, 2012, 09:40 AM

Sep 2012

will copy and paste outdated release forms from either text books, hand outs from classes and or old release forms they have used for countless years.

That said, they all include the element of the actor basically giving up all control of their image, voice, etc. This is put in place so the producer/director have complete creative control over the final product.

That paragraph that states as such, has been a hollywood standard since the silent movie days. It was a hold over from the studio run films from the "golden age". In essence, Sam Warner didn't want any actor to tell him how to do his job.

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Actress Cindy Lee Garcia sues over Innocence of Muslims [View all] eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 OP

Sounds like the director is an all-around dick. /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #1

She should have had herself billed as Georgina Spelvin slackmaster Sep 2012 #2

Except that this situation is in no way like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #3

Actually, both are examples of deliberate, malicious acts resulting in endangerment. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #4

so if I deem this repsonse as offensive, you will support me if I riot? It's just opinion nt msongs Sep 2012 #5

No, I would not support you, which is not the point, as you well know. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #6

it wasn't "quite likely" something he sought magical thyme Sep 2012 #17

I sit corrected. Thank you. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #25

Not sure about this... playingwithplato Sep 2012 #45

None of the US laws have long arm status ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #19

Do you assume that people in a theater ONLY panic, dangerously, when they hear 'fire'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #8

Would there be such a thing as advertising if your position was reasonable? No. The reason there is patrice Sep 2012 #12

Yes, obviously, since advertising exists and my position is reasonable. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #24

I feel bad for the actors. Quantess Sep 2012 #7

The people in the theater can't help but hear you shout fire oberliner Sep 2012 #9

Other people are certainly harmed ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #26

She was apparently duped oberliner Sep 2012 #30

Well, yes, the article was about these "separate issues", though my opinions were broader. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #33

Understood - but I was addressing the "fire in a crowded theatre" reference oberliner Sep 2012 #38

that sorry film is protected speech cali Sep 2012 #10

Protected speech means you cannot be enjoined from expressing it. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #31

good luck with that in this case. cali Sep 2012 #34

Actually, someone down thread pointed out something pretty interesting... Javaman Sep 2012 #39

She is not suing for "irresponsible speech". CJCRANE Sep 2012 #11

If she signed a release form, no matter what she claims, it won't hold water. read below... Javaman Sep 2012 #16

That seems pretty watertight but... CJCRANE Sep 2012 #18

Over the years, I have seen attempts to break a contract... Javaman Sep 2012 #20

Have you ever seen anything this blatant though? Bradical79 Sep 2012 #49

Oh yeah, I have. I have worked on... Javaman Sep 2012 #51

Not just the nature of the film, but the full script, and the genre of the film. ehrnst Sep 2012 #57

May she be the first of many. VWolf Sep 2012 #13

It will be the first and probably the last. If you are the parent of children who act, then you... Javaman Sep 2012 #15

I have read the release forms, but they never mention VWolf Sep 2012 #21

A lot of student and smaller indie type films... Javaman Sep 2012 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Sep 2012 #23

A hold over? What are you talking about javaman? concern4art Sep 2012 #47

Yes,they are standard forms... Javaman Sep 2012 #53

There is a business obligation to disclose the nature of the project. ehrnst Sep 2012 #55

Script changes are part of the business. Javaman Sep 2012 #58

Not genre changes that were intended prior to giving the script to the actors. ehrnst Sep 2012 #62

yeah, it's a matter of semantics now. Javaman Sep 2012 #64

Definitely - I'm SAG eligible, so I really can't do indie stuff anymore. ehrnst Sep 2012 #66

Good luck on SAG. :) Javaman Sep 2012 #70

If she signed a release form, she really doesn't have much of a case. here are the forms... Javaman Sep 2012 #14

Thanks for posting that, Javaman slackmaster Sep 2012 #28

"to the fullest extent that I may lawfully do so" ... interesting phrase. eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #29

Entertainment law is big business in L.A.... Javaman Sep 2012 #36

So it all boils down to this comment you made.... concern4art Sep 2012 #48

Yeah, it boils down to money. Javaman Sep 2012 #50

She was given a bogus script. If it had turned out to be a porn film ehrnst Sep 2012 #54

more over... Javaman Sep 2012 #56

The form is a two way agreement. Seems that the 'producer's signature' was not Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #32

That's probably the best angle she can hope for... Javaman Sep 2012 #35

It is not a 'gray area' if he lied about his identity to them, there is NO contract Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #40

Actually there is a gray area... Javaman Sep 2012 #43

I'm thinking that's her legal strategy as well Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #42

If, however, she was given a copy of the full script - as she states she was ehrnst Sep 2012 #59

You would have also walked off the set. Javaman Sep 2012 #60

If the porn scenes were shot later, when I wasn't there, I couldn't very well walk off the set ehrnst Sep 2012 #61

Shot later? LOL Javaman Sep 2012 #63

Sorry - thinking Rushes, instead of Sides. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2012 #67

Are you saying porn films are solid sex from opening to end? There often are minor bits uppityperson Sep 2012 #68

most porns are shot in a single day, most of the time two in a day. Javaman Sep 2012 #69

that may be, but they also add in other footage that isn't porn uppityperson Sep 2012 #71

this conversation has taken a very odd and strange twist. Javaman Sep 2012 #72

Because this is the basis of the OP? Because she might have been filmed in something that uppityperson Sep 2012 #73

Oh for the love of all things good, give it up. Javaman Sep 2012 #75

Well, excuse me for answering. Why such a nasty reply? Good grief. For sure I will stop uppityperson Sep 2012 #76

Not nasty. Javaman Sep 2012 #77

last-word-itis? uppityperson Sep 2012 #78

LOL Sure, why not? Javaman Sep 2012 #79

It sounds like the film is ruining the lives of everyone Jamastiene Sep 2012 #27

I think their best bet is a civil lawsuit. Javaman Sep 2012 #37

As an actor, I can see that she could argue that she was misinformed of the ehrnst Sep 2012 #41

I think added argument could be that now she is associated with the film... Javaman Sep 2012 #44

This is what's wrong with America and more and more of the world... concern4art Sep 2012 #46

Did you read the article? The script she received had no mention of Mohammed or religion. ehrnst Sep 2012 #52

This is what's wrong with America and more and more of the world... uppityperson Sep 2012 #65

I just finish watching the movie -Monty Python's Life of Brian- AlphaCentauri Sep 2012 #74

Her resume on IMDB and her profile on LinkedIn both have this movie as one of her credits TexasBushwhacker Sep 2012 #80

Why sue the director unless he's the producer as well? Darth_Kitten Sep 2012 #81