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George II

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76. I doubt it's coincidental that someone who denied the genocide happened to name his group...
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 03:47 PM
Nov 2019

...after the movement that perpetrated that genocide.

https://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

The Young Turks were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide. The Young Turk Movement emerged in reaction to the absolutist rule of Sultan Abdul-Hamid (Abdulhamit) II (1876-1909). With the 1878 suspension of the Ottoman Constitution, reform-minded Ottomans resorted to organizing overseas or underground. The backbone of the movement was formed by young military officers who were especially disturbed by the continuing decline of Ottoman power and attributed the crisis to the absence of an environment for change and progress. Working secretly in unconnected clusters under the watchful eye of the Hamidian secret police, the Young Turks succeeded in overturning the rule of the autocratic sultan when the Ottoman armies in European Turkey openly supported the movement. Abdul-Hamid's reinstatement of constitutional and parliamentary rule in July 1908 ushered in a brief period of legalized political activity by a panoply of reformist Turkish parties as well as Armenian political and revolutionary organizations. The Young Turks earned further public support when their intervention was required to suppress the April 1909 counter-revolution staged by the palace.

At the center of the Young Turk Revolution stood the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) (Ittihad ve Terakki Jemiyeti) formed in 1895. Its members came to be known as Ittihadists or Unionists. The most ideologically committed party in the entire movement, the CUP espoused a form of Turkish nationalism which was xenophobic and exclusionary in its thinking. Its policies threatened to undo the tattered fabric of a multi-ethnic and multi-religious society. Taking advantage of the political confusion reigning in the aftermath of the First Balkan War which the Ottoman Empire lost in 1912 to its former subject states, the CUP seized power in a coup d'etat in January 1913. As it led the empire to a partial recovery in the Second Balkan War, the CUP monopolized political power domestically by bringing the Parliament completely under its influence. It also began to steer away from the long-held Ottoman foreign policy of alliances with Great Britain and France, and forged a stronger military cooperation with Germany. Moreover, the CUP compensated for the Ottoman retreat in the Balkans by promoting Pan-Turkism, an expansionist program designed to challenge Russia in its southern tier. By the time World War I broke out in August 1914, the CUP constituted a chauvinistic band which had subordinated the Ottoman state to its Turkist ideology. It also propelled the country into war against its better interests by entering into a secret accord with Germany.

To consolidate Turkish rule in the remaining territories of the Ottoman Empire and to expand the state into the so-called Turanian lands in the east, most held by Iran and Russia, the CUP devised in secret a program for the extermination of the Armenian population. From the viewpoint of Ittihadist ideology and its new and ambitious foreign policy, the Armenians represented a completely vulnerable population straddling an area of major strategic value for its Pan-Turanian goals. Ottoman misrule had made the Armenians, a prosperous minority despite its political disadvantages, sympathetic to Russia. To the Ittihadists, the global crisis of 1914 represented a rare opportunity to change the fortunes of the Ottoman state and to use the cover of war to embark upon a policy of both internal and external social engineering the likes of which had not been attempted or imagined. Once again they gambled on the element of surprise, subterfuge, and radical daring, this time against a civilian minority population.

Even though the initial advance of Ottoman forces in 1914 into Russia and Iran did not result in a permanent expansion, on the whole the Ottoman armies held Allied forces in check until 1916 and did not capitulate until 1918. The main thrust of the Armenian Genocide, however, was implemented within the first year of the war, years ahead of any imminent collapse. While the mass deportations of the civilian Armenian population was carried out in the spring and summer of 1915 and were completed by the fall, the systematic slaughter of the Armenians had started earlier with the murder of the able-bodied males already drafted into the Ottoman armed forces. By expropriating the movable and immovable wealth of the Armenians, the CUP also looked upon its policy of genocide as a means for enriching its coffers and rewarding its cohorts. The elimination of a commercially viable minority fulfilled part of the nationalist program to concentrate financial power in the hands of the state and promote greater Turkish control over the domestic economy.

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I didn't even know he lived in this district. Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #1
According to mediaite, his current zip code isn't in that district. George II Nov 2019 #5
I guess his plan is to move here after Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #8
I wonder why he's using a San Francisco bank? George II Nov 2019 #10
Google the bank Mona Nov 2019 #62
Thanks, Mona, for the link. I knew nothing about them; it warmed my heart. stuffmatters Nov 2019 #91
Christy Smith agrees.. Cha Nov 2019 #84
What party...Justice Democrats? brush Nov 2019 #22
He will probably run as a democrat Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #25
He was kicked out of the Justice Democrats. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #33
We're all Democrats whether someone is progressive or moderate JonLP24 Nov 2019 #41
See post #47. brush Nov 2019 #48
I am a Justice Democrat RandiFan1290 Nov 2019 #46
Just stop trying to remove proven winner Dem incumbents. Go after repug incumbents. brush Nov 2019 #47
The Establishment just were pushing someone to primary Tulsi Gabbard pretty much forcing her to JonLP24 Nov 2019 #51
Gabbard? She's not running for re-election. Is she even a Dem? brush Nov 2019 #52
She is Democrat JonLP24 Nov 2019 #54
She's not running for re-election. Funny how someone allegedly being so liberal appears on FOX... brush Nov 2019 #56
I don't believe Hillary Clinton was correct & I prefer to focus on what is real with Russia & the JonLP24 Nov 2019 #58
We disagree. brush Nov 2019 #59
That was over Mueller JonLP24 Nov 2019 #60
Oh Bull.. poor Gabbard.. goes on tucker's fox and Whines Cha Nov 2019 #97
The 9/11 families are suing Saudi Arabia and she is standing with them JonLP24 Nov 2019 #103
Hillary was there first helping 9/11 Families! .. long before Cha Nov 2019 #104
She has some unfortunate quotes JonLP24 Nov 2019 #105
"quotes"? Those are gabbard's thoughts.. how Cha Nov 2019 #106
I"m in gabbard's District and I'm Grateful we're having Kai Kahele Cha Nov 2019 #78
Yeah.. Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing Cha Nov 2019 #79
Not a requirement, IIRC Retrograde Nov 2019 #65
Just investigated this: George II Nov 2019 #102
Mediaite Link IronLionZion Nov 2019 #2
Thanks. I found that one a couple of minutes ago and edited the OP George II Nov 2019 #4
pass IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #3
I will vote for him for you, then :) Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #11
I'm cool with that. IADEMO2004 Nov 2019 #18
Why would you even imply he had anything to do with those pictures. So anyone running for her vsrazdem Nov 2019 #6
same reaction to that statement Mona Nov 2019 #63
I doubt it JonLP24 Nov 2019 #7
This on twitter: George II Nov 2019 #9
Cenk reminds me of Alan Grayson bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #12
Will have to give up his TV gig ? ritapria Nov 2019 #13
No thanks!!! LeftInTX Nov 2019 #14
I hope you are right, and I agree with you on the Aremenian genocide, and the "positions" he has still_one Nov 2019 #24
Thanks for answering the question I was going to raise. TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #28
That's unconscionable. jcmaine72 Nov 2019 #55
Yes, he's still a republican, kinda an ass Demonaut Nov 2019 #95
One Tulsi in Congress isn't enough? Itchinjim Nov 2019 #15
She's leaving Polybius Nov 2019 #27
He likely won't be getting in anywhere. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #34
I just read that this is the district in which Pappadopoulos is running. George II Nov 2019 #16
and possibly......alt right uber scum Mike Cernovich Celerity Nov 2019 #21
Gag! nt TexasTowelie Nov 2019 #30
From Katie Hill Gothmog Nov 2019 #17
Uygur doesn't even live in that district.....yet. George II Nov 2019 #20
Now that's a tweet!! onenote Nov 2019 #23
Ugh. ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #19
I like him Polybius Nov 2019 #26
I like Cenk and Kyle TheFarseer Nov 2019 #29
I enjoy watching them both Polybius Nov 2019 #31
I saw that TheFarseer Nov 2019 #32
I like Kyle, but he voted Green in 2016 and even 2012 Polybius Nov 2019 #35
I always vote Democrat in the end but I think in order for Democrats to win JonLP24 Nov 2019 #43
I don't like Kyle at all. StevieM Nov 2019 #66
Kyle? Is that Kyle Kulinski? George II Nov 2019 #70
I like Cenk and would vote for him Raine Nov 2019 #40
Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing Cha Nov 2019 #81
Well he's not an option for me IF he was Raine Nov 2019 #92
lulz he is not left obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #68
Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing Cha Nov 2019 #80
Fuck no. RandySF Nov 2019 #36
Sharice Davids: BREAKING: The House just passed my bill, the SERV Act! Cha Nov 2019 #85
The one good thing is that WhiteTara Nov 2019 #37
If it's going to cost him money he won't do it.... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #38
Ana Kasparian will do fine -- she is promoted to executive producer JonLP24 Nov 2019 #42
He filed. Let's see what happens. WhiteTara Nov 2019 #57
Why would he have to give up his show? Jose Garcia Nov 2019 #67
LOL DarthDem Nov 2019 #39
This guy is always pissing someone off...misogynist or genocide denier or third party splitter pecosbob Nov 2019 #44
Uhhhhh, no William Weehours Nov 2019 #45
Right now it's a crowded field on both sides... brooklynite Nov 2019 #49
They ALL run in the same primary, the top two go to the general election. George II Nov 2019 #50
Nyet underpants Nov 2019 #53
Voters in that district: "Who?" MineralMan Nov 2019 #61
If people back a misogynist who is also a genocide denier... EllieBC Nov 2019 #64
Yep. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #71
An extreme, rank misogynist and genocide denier AT BEST obamanut2012 Nov 2019 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Nov 2019 #72
One of the strongest, bravest, progressive American voices.! Good Luck to him! LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #73
Reminder: Uygur's "TYT" is funded by right winger Buddy Roehmer and Russia Today.... George II Nov 2019 #74
Selective forgiveness is an epidemic. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #75
I doubt it's coincidental that someone who denied the genocide happened to name his group... George II Nov 2019 #76
I'm sure it was a combination of a few things LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #77
His position on the Armenian genocide is just one of the more obvious strikes against him.. George II Nov 2019 #87
... LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #89
Whatever....on a lighter note.... George II Nov 2019 #90
I remember that so well. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #96
Bull-Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing Cha Nov 2019 #82
Whooosh 2.0 LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #86
"We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization.." Cha Nov 2019 #93
Brawaaa! UPdate Tweet from Christy Smith! Cha Nov 2019 #83
This isn't be the first time someone associated (currently or in the past) with Justice Democrats... George II Nov 2019 #88
No, it is not.. and thankfully they LOST. Cha Nov 2019 #94
That's where the school shooting was today. Kablooie Nov 2019 #98
Tweet about Uygur's TYT website: George II Nov 2019 #99
Yuck. Owl Nov 2019 #100
cenk Whines about getting FIRED from msnbc bc President Obama!.. Cha Nov 2019 #101
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