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stlstdg

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11. Lion Air and Ethiopian have operated 737s (prior to the MAX) for years
Mon Dec 16, 2019, 07:51 PM
Dec 2019

Lion Air doesn't have the greatest reputation for safety, but Ethiopian is a highly respected
carrier. Both have operated B737s for years, prior to the MAX and the MCAS.

System redundancy, designing an aircraft so that the failure of one system cannot cause
catastrophic flight envelope issues, has been baked into the cake of airliner design for decades;
it's the holy grail--or it was until the MAX.

It's unthinkable and unconscionable that Boeing would permit a single angle of attack vane to
determine whether MCAS would intervene and "correct" the plane's angle of pitch. Even more
unthinkable and unconscionable that it didn't even inform pilots of the existence if the system.
Mind boggling.

To say (and I know you were just citing a quote) that the engineers ignoring a basic principle of safe
airline design is not a factor in this, but their "overvaluing the pilots' response" is, sounds like lawyerly,
media relations department gobbledygook.

There were no such problems with the previous versions of the 737s (ones without the MCAS system),
that both airlines have operated for a long time.

Boeing's upper management cut corners, neglected basic due diligence, and dismissed previously communicated
concerns by their own engineers, and by pilots, in the interest of profit, and rushing out something to compete
with Airbus. The consequence was that they killed over 300 people.

I'm an airline and airliner geek, and Boeing has been an icon in the industry forever. But it's about time a gigantic
corporation reaped the consequences of its greed. I feel very sorry for the people, who had nothing to do with what
happened, who are likely to lose their jobs. The galling, disgusting thing is that the people who were truly at fault, who
made the decisions that led to this tragedy, will likely walk away scot free, with golden parachutes, of course.

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Spirt Aviation in Kansas is going to be hit hard with this........................there will be turbinetree Dec 2019 #1
Yeah - the 737 became like the public transit bus of the skies BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #3
Boeing should have redesigned a new aircraft. They took the cheap way out dem4decades Dec 2019 #2
I think from personal experience working on that particular model aircraft for over 25 years turbinetree Dec 2019 #7
The bottom line is Boeing f'd up.. CentralMass Dec 2019 #8
The bottom line is that everyone f**ked up.........................literally turbinetree Dec 2019 #9
It was the companies responsibilty to produce a safe reliable aircraft. CentralMass Dec 2019 #10
I fully agree VMA131Marine Dec 2019 #12
++ CentralMass Dec 2019 #13
Worked on the flat bulkhead program at spirit...-900 Maxheader Dec 2019 #15
Lion Air and Ethiopian have operated 737s (prior to the MAX) for years stlstdg Dec 2019 #11
Single angle of attack. Corgigal Dec 2019 #21
See what happens when you kill several hundred at a time several times and the whole world is ... marble falls Dec 2019 #4
No bets DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #5
Isn't it amazing the number of grifter Secty of Agricultures and Reps on ag committees there's been? marble falls Dec 2019 #6
I forgot THAT bastard was still playing flotsam Dec 2019 #17
I told you, Ross wrote the book on corruption DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #20
Boeing is in serious trouble. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #14
They do have their eyes on space flight too BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #16
Did you ever wonder what the crew of the ISS think about untested rockets being sent to them flotsam Dec 2019 #18
Well right now all they have are the Russian Soyuz ships to ferry the crew BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #19
Boeing's cash flow: Negative $2.9 billion last quarter dalton99a Dec 2019 #22
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