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mntleo2

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47. This is a PN parent story you might "like"....
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jan 2012

...I knew this woman and work with parents and families like her all the time.


The fact she was from Pennsylvania might interest you though while I worked with her, her story is not just for your state, but for most states ...

Just sayin' ....



Robin Committed Suicide Last Week

"... Interesting story for the Seattle Times to note on Family Reunification Day with children taken by CPS and then returned to their families. While this self glorification is about DSHS being “fair” I might question their motives and misinformation for We The People.

Because she is on my mind a lot these days, I thought of my friend Robin
who was not so lucky as those families. A mother of 4, her 4th child was
taken by CPS almost at birth a mere days after her own doctor took them to his family home in an effort to prevent this travesty. DSHS's claim that 2/3 of the children they take are returned to their families. This is not exactly true and they know it.

Family Court, CPS, and their workers know they did not have to have any legal reason that they had to prove in an independent court to take these kids. Because CPS can merely point the finger and use their rubber-stamp CASA and consultants, as well as Family Court judges who can unconstitutionally take children without proving a thing by saying it is, "in their best interest".

Robin, who was not a drug addict, had never abused anyone in her life,
indeed she and her children were fleeing an abusive spouse, was penniless
and had no chance. But even if she had been any of those things, there is
a much more likely chance that, not only would it be thousands of dollars
cheaper and statistically a better chance of success, but Robin's children if left in her home with services, would have done much better than their 3X more likely chances to be abused in foster care after being permanently traumatized from losing their mother. As adults having endured this benign neglect at the hands of CPS and Family Court, taken children are more likely to grow up to become homeless, more likely to be in prison, more likely to be unemployed, drop out of school, and more likely to use drugs, this is a statistical and real world fact.

Since Robin's "defense" lawyer, the judge, CPS workers, the CASA worker,
all non-profits, the foster homes, and any of their paid consultants are
all paid out of the same Title IV/TANF/Medicaid funding, they had no
reason to allow Robin to take her babies home. All of them go into family court with tax-paid lawyers to defend THEMSELVES but there is no such independent defender for the child.

Even though CASA's lawyer and staff receive millions supposedly as "independent" advocates for children, they are certainly not independent ~ instead they rubber stamp all CPS actions ~ with their own lawyer present in court dependency hearings representing CASA personnel, not the child, leaving the child with nobody to defend them.

Worse, since ALL this funding is based on how many children taken, NOT on
returning them to their families, every single one of these professionals
had a reason to ensure Robin's 4 children would never see her again.
Their jobs.

This is most certainly not because these "poor misunderstood" workers are
"damned if they do and damned if they don't" take Robin's kids.

Even in the Wenatchee Sex Ring abuse cases, later proved to be mere witch hunts, not one single professional was so much as disciplined, from the judge, to the counselors using proven and unethical methods, to the CPS workers who lied, to CASA workers, to the police officers, nor to the prosecutors who took up a ridiculous case that wasted millions of tax dollars, decimated almost 30 intact families, alienated over 200 children from their families by forcing them to lie against their own parents, wrongly imprisoning dozens of innocents for decades, but not one of these professionals paid a thing.

And according to Freedom Of Information Act requests, never once has any irresponsible publicly employed WA CPS, judge, CASA, counselor, nor any other professional faced any such discipline or firings since then either, even after being proved to have lied. Indeed the caseworkers who raise questions, such as Supervisor Juanita Vasquez and Paul Glassen tried to address, are pariahs, harassed and fired by DSHS for even raising any doubts, later having to sue and win millions for this harassment.

My State of Washington has never learned a thing from decades ago to
today. They are far more "concerned" for the one non-foster care case that tragically slips through the cracks, than the thousands of permanently traumatized kids they take "in the best interest of the child" because of the funding they depend upon. Where it is studiously ignored about the once a month foster deaths while out of family care and instead trumpeted to the media the once every two years death at the hands of a sick parent in order to "prove" a child is better off in foster care than with their families. From personal experiences as well as statistical data, it is a fact that the desire to promote hysteria and witch hunts has not subsided ~ merely to make a buck off the backs of traumatized little children, many who will never see their families again, in order to line DSHS and family court pockets.

When her first three children were taken, Robin lived in clean and sober
non-profit low income housing where she and many other residents observed
that in the time they resided there and most likely since, EVERY SINGLE
CHILD WAS TAKEN AND EVERY SINGLE PARENT LOST THEIR RIGHTS. These same
non-profits "coincidentally" often houses an adoption agency, now what an
amazing coincidence! Not one person in the media or government oversight, has any questions as to why every single parent in these CLEAN AND SOBER housing situations deserved their rights terminated.

Really? In a clean and sober housing project every single child was being abused? Since DSHS gets around $8000.00 + per month per child, and an additional $20-50,000 per adoption, this must have reaped them and their Family Courts a pretty Title IV, TANF, and Medicaid penny.TANF and Medicaid money by the way, that should have helped Robin and her children, but instead was taken out of the budget and given to pay CPS workers, and all their paid-for rubber stamps in court including
foster care, consultants, CASA, and judges, all paid to take her children instead.


Robin told me that her 4 year old son begged her to take him home every
time she saw him, and her baby did not even know who she was. Her other
two children, one which was handicapped, (even more money in DSHS pockets, woo hoo!) were abused while in their foster home, as they are 3 X more likely to endure than if they had gone home, according to Michigan and WA State studies of over 200,000 foster alumni. These abused children also begged for their mother, but CPS and the CASA worker did not care about that. No, they were more concerned about "the best interest", which it appears pertains more to them and their funding, than for Robin's children.

This month, in June, 2010 Robin was informed she was losing her rights as
a parent and that CPS was going to drag her through court unless she
voluntarily gave her children up. As they did in my own family's case,
every single one of these well paid professionals "forgot" to tell Robin
of her alternative right to turn over guardianship to her sister who
wanted all 4 of her children and was willing to work to help the family
stay together. This guardianship would have taken DSHS, CPS, CASA, THE
COURTS AND ALL THEIR MINIONS RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER THE WHOLE CASE ~ AND
SADLY ALL THAT MONEY.

It must have been a slip of the mind since DSHS was so excited about the $200,000+ they would bring in for adopting Robin's children out instead - in addition to the $32,000+ per month they had already gotten over the years for all four of her children under their jurisdiction. And they would receive nothing as they never do, when returning kids back to their homes, only when they retain a hold on these children.

Robin had no way of defending herself unless it was with a lawyer who was
not even required to show his/her success in court for any of his or her
cases, a clear violation of ABA ethics making no effort winning cases as
paid to do. Attorneys who would actually benefit more if he/she lost,
since they got the same funding as the CPS worker, paid consultants, CASA, judge and prosecutor they faced. Robin said she was so organized when going into court, DSHS and court personnel often thought SHE was the lawyer ~ and though she had barely a high school education, Robin was smart and she knew her rights often better than her "defense" lawyer. But as with many in Robin's shoes, it was information too late.

Robin's 30th birthday was spent without her children and she was in deep anguish. Without health care, this woman went to a hospital seeking help for her deep depressionin in desperation, but found none. So after penning a farewell note to those who loved her, and there were many myself included, this mother of 4, best friend to her sister,
cherished daughter, revered friend, and aunt to 5 nieces and nephews, died by her own grief-stricken hand.

Robin will never be reunified with her children but perhaps at least she will be reunified with her other sister who died at the hands of a foster parent at the age of 8.

The data stated in this letter comes from The Annie E. Casey foundation,
UofW, Uof MI, National Coalition for Child Protective Reform, Representative Jim McDermott's Office, and the Health and Human Services in WA DC. Our state (WA)DSHS refused to give me their (supposedly public) budget information. They know it would be a wake up call to people who believe most children are better off in foster care than in their own homes. Decided by people who would rather pay $2000 + a month to foster care and $6000 to themselves than give 1 penny of these services to a family in need. "Robin" indeed did exist, as has hundreds of other parents in this situation whom I know who have not taken Robin's way out but whose cases are just a hopeless. I protected my friend Robin for her children and family and have changed her name.

National Coalition For Child Protection Reform. Much information on this stite
Families and Foster Care Against False Allegations
Annie E. Casey Study (scroll down to page 13 to see the graph of funding resources )

The public housing where all children are being harvested for adoption noted in this writing: I would like to note here that there isn’t ANYONE else within the government who has a single question nor has done any research about why EVERY SINGLE CHILD is taken from these housing projects. At least as a concerned citizen I did this research ~ for free I might add instead of the $100,000 salaried disinterested government official who does nothing.

The women from whom have I have heard personal stories about this harvesting are mothers from:

* Opportunity Place in Seattle WA, YWCA 2005- 2007 (and there are surely more, but these are the specific years and locations where residents described the routine CPS sweep of housing for the taking of children) * Pennsylvania Transitional Housing 2009-2010 (and who knows how many more years) * Michigan Housing Authority 2008-2010 (plus how many more years)? * Georgia Housing Authority and various transitional housing projects 2007-2010 (again nobody knows how many years other than this)
Sincerely,

Catherine Sullivan

Address, phone and email included ..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07/13/883930/-Thanks-to-CPS,-Robin-Committed-Suicide-Last-Week-?via=blog_645833

Hope this helps ...

Cat in Seattle

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Like something out of Dickens. People jailed because they didn't have health insurance. yardwork Jan 2012 #1
I don't think this is about not having insurance frazzled Jan 2012 #4
I'm so sick of this "Emergency room is free" bullshit. evilkumquat Jan 2012 #5
So you let your kid die frazzled Jan 2012 #10
Not saying let the kids die, nor saying these parents aren't at least partial guilty evilkumquat Jan 2012 #15
Well, I agree; I know they are not free frazzled Jan 2012 #17
what happens when you suspect your child is seriously ill... lame54 Jan 2012 #34
what happens when you suspect your child is seriously ill... unapatriciated Jan 2012 #35
YOU know your children better than their doctors do leftynyc Jan 2012 #38
It was my threat to sue that finally got the blood test done. unapatriciated Jan 2012 #45
They made no such choice spotbird Jan 2012 #23
You are correct and any sensible person will not use the ER Tumbulu Jan 2012 #27
If they thought he had swollen glands, they would not take him to the emergency room. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #11
See expanded information below, plus they pled guilty frazzled Jan 2012 #13
They were jailed because they criminally neglected their children--see post 6 below.nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #8
I appreciate the additional info. Thanks. yardwork Jan 2012 #22
Who TF thought it would be a good idea to prosecute these people Gman Jan 2012 #2
Six kids, none in school--moved to avoid Child Protective Services--see post 6. msanthrope Jan 2012 #7
That gives a different perspective on the matter. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #12
Hang the bastards Gman Jan 2012 #21
agreed. there has to be more to this. :( roguevalley Jan 2012 #3
These bastards deserved more time--More info on case-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #6
Thanks for this. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #9
From the Wash. Post: Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #14
you left quite a bit out- here from your link azurnoir Jan 2012 #16
there's 3 paragraph limit Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #19
But when an insurance company does it... Duer 157099 Jan 2012 #18
If they had claimed they were relying on prayer... Deep13 Jan 2012 #20
something no one here has mentioned the family was being under the auspices azurnoir Jan 2012 #24
the washington post article said that their social worker told them not to get the lump Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #25
The same article says that social services had been involved since July of 2007 azurnoir Jan 2012 #26
How believable is that? LisaL Jan 2012 #28
but if that is true how was it that social services was involved for at least 6 months azurnoir Jan 2012 #29
The LAST thing CPS does is help families mntleo2 Jan 2012 #30
Thank you well said n/t azurnoir Jan 2012 #33
CPS workers are not well paid bluestateguy Jan 2012 #37
It is not the CPS worker for which I am speaking ... mntleo2 Jan 2012 #41
What makes them dangerous is enormous power + little understanding 2 Much Tribulation Jan 2012 #44
Thank-you, you said it all in a nutshell! nt mntleo2 Jan 2012 #48
That is NOT my experience with my State's Children, Youth and Families (CYF). happyslug Jan 2012 #40
Relatives are usually the LAST consideration for these kids mntleo2 Jan 2012 #42
This is a PN parent story you might "like".... mntleo2 Jan 2012 #47
+1 for being very VERY true nt 2 Much Tribulation Jan 2012 #43
Just not enough information Stonepounder Jan 2012 #31
more articles with background info alp227 Jan 2012 #32
These folks are the Teabaggers' and Libertarians' Dream Parents Tsiyu Jan 2012 #36
they're picketing Planned Parenthood clinics in the name of "LIFE! LIFE!" alp227 Jan 2012 #46
But under no circumstances - once you're out of the uterus- dare Tsiyu Jan 2012 #49
If we had an Obama's health care plan Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #39
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