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30. "He's not concerned so much with the LGBT rights"

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:19 AM

Sep 2012

That is a ridiculous BS statement.

Fighting for LGBT rights around the world is a cause that is very important to me.

I am completely opposed to any unnecessary war - I do not support an Israeli attack on Iran.

I am, however, very critical of the Iranian government, as I would think any progressive or liberal would be.

They have been ruled be an unelected dictator with ultimate authority and zero accountability for over thirty years. Their record on human rights in general, and LGBT rights in particular, is abysmal (as any number of human rights groups have pointed out), and their leaders' tendency to make provocative statements is detrimental to regional peace and stability.

Criticism of Iran does not equal support for Israel (or anyone else) attacking it, nor does it mean excusing human rights violations committed by Israel or any other country.

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran President, Slams Homosexuality As An 'Ugly Behavior' [View all] oberliner Sep 2012 OP

Not surprised JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #1

And that's why this guy shouldn't have a gun . n/t orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #2

Or a bomb! Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #165

Or a pea-shooter !!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #3

I would think no liberal/progressive would like their current leadership oberliner Sep 2012 #4

Human rights are atrocious in alot of other places darkangel218 Sep 2012 #7

Absolutely right oberliner Sep 2012 #8

Ahhh... zellie Sep 2012 #13

You should start a thread about that then, instead of engaging in false comparisons and MADem Sep 2012 #55

after this post be dragons Tunkamerica Sep 2012 #22

So are several other nations' Scootaloo Sep 2012 #35

Homosexuality ikl Sep 2012 #43

Perhaps Oberliner's interest does not extend there--have you ever asked? MADem Sep 2012 #65

He can say whatever he likes. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #152

No winking, no nudging oberliner Sep 2012 #162

You're not terribly good at this. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #173

There's nothing to be "good at" oberliner Sep 2012 #175

Strange on DU to find someone King_David Sep 2012 #191

David, haven't I talked you you about making things up? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #192

Making up things ? King_David Sep 2012 #194

It's not my objective to make you feel inferior Scootaloo Sep 2012 #196

I agree completely cpwm17 Sep 2012 #206

Very easy to accuse. Much more difficult to have an actual discussion. nt MADem Sep 2012 #164

Are any of their leaders being interviewed on CNN this week? oberliner Sep 2012 #77

perhaps the question of why these other leaders are not being interviewed on CNN azurnoir Sep 2012 #126

That is a good question oberliner Sep 2012 #176

The more isolated and threatened the regime, the worse things are for normal people, including gays. leveymg Sep 2012 #84

Or the normal people overthrow their repressive regimes oberliner Sep 2012 #87

The Iranian regime, whatever you may think of it, has a much broader base of support than any leveymg Sep 2012 #117

There's no way of knowing that oberliner Sep 2012 #140

That's been the working consensus for a long time, which is why Hillary didn't push regime change leveymg Sep 2012 #142

Why don't they hold a national referendum to find out? oberliner Sep 2012 #144

ROFL. Same reason the US didn't hold a national referendum in 1955 on adopting Communism. leveymg Sep 2012 #149

When would be a convenient time? oberliner Sep 2012 #177

Some time after the thaw. leveymg Sep 2012 #184

I would like to see that Missycim Sep 2012 #150

Lots of "no chance in Hell" events have happened recently oberliner Sep 2012 #178

Dont get me wrong Missycim Sep 2012 #180

Fair points oberliner Sep 2012 #182

A silly as this sounds, I think only a mass, peaceful Missycim Sep 2012 #183

A national referendum would be like the US changing its constitution Ash_F Sep 2012 #153

The Iranian constitution has only existed since 1979 oberliner Sep 2012 #179

Actually, Iran has changed it's constitution too. Ash_F Sep 2012 #202

Why don't we worry about our OWN human rights record first, Zippy? self-realized sadge Sep 2012 #106

I think it's possible to do both oberliner Sep 2012 #112

I , for sure, don't like his views on LGBT people irisblue Sep 2012 #6

Probably due to some recent posts oberliner Sep 2012 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #10

"He's not concerned so much with the LGBT rights" oberliner Sep 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Sep 2012 #38

Well said--I love the Iranian people, I just don't think much of their unfortunate dictatorship. nt MADem Sep 2012 #59

So critical you constantly post far right-wing spin? Ash_F Sep 2012 #133

"The Ayatollah is appointed by an assembly that is directly voted on." oberliner Sep 2012 #134

I know it is painful to accept Ash_F Sep 2012 #137

The Iranian people did not vote for the Supreme Leader oberliner Sep 2012 #143

First of all, I challenge you to disprove anything in post #133 Ash_F Sep 2012 #147

It's very easily done oberliner Sep 2012 #181

It was a presidential election /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #203

So we should ignore LGBT rights King_David Sep 2012 #53

WTF??? "Imo, preventing another unecessery war is more important than lgbt rights in Iran." MADem Sep 2012 #58

That was an amazing statement. I had to read it three times to make sure I wasn't... Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #141

It stunned me, too. nt MADem Sep 2012 #188

Oberliner posts a lot on the I/P forum; that's why many of his posts relate to Israel LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #135

oberliner is not concerned so much with the LGBT rights? Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #130

both are important thank you. n/t hrmjustin Sep 2012 #132

"Imo, preventing another unecessery war is more important than lgbt rights in Iran" Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #139

I notice the anti-Iran hold has been strong here lately SaltyBro Sep 2012 #11

No zellie Sep 2012 #17

Would you be willing to go to war SaltyBro Sep 2012 #24

Criticism of Iran's government does not equate support for going to war oberliner Sep 2012 #31

I notice that a lot of people can't read contextually at all. MADem Sep 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #20

I think he likes the Drums of War bahrbearian Sep 2012 #26

I am completely opposed to war oberliner Sep 2012 #32

They are not like us. fun n serious Sep 2012 #37

That's the best you have? Don't criticize them because they're not like us? onenote Sep 2012 #42

What? fun n serious Sep 2012 #56

I love Iran, myself--lived there for many years. MADem Sep 2012 #52

I think it's an okay country (landscape/cities) with shitty ass stupid fundie government snooper2 Sep 2012 #85

No one to the left of Attila the Hun likes the Iranian government LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #119

Time for some non hypocrisy zellie Sep 2012 #5

So what is your solution? SaltyBro Sep 2012 #12

Don't have one yet... zellie Sep 2012 #15

So being anti-war is now called "Paulian"? SaltyBro Sep 2012 #16

Good post zellie Sep 2012 #21

How many mad men are in the world? SaltyBro Sep 2012 #23

Great post zellie Sep 2012 #25

Wow. SaltyBro Sep 2012 #27

At least two. JoeyT Sep 2012 #123

What is a 'Paulinian' and to whom are you referring? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #157

you can denounce sabbat hunter Sep 2012 #50

The Past , Like the Drum Beats of War with Iraq ? bahrbearian Sep 2012 #28

Hypocrisy? ikl Sep 2012 #47

That is false, she said IF Iran nuked another nation, we'd respond without quarter. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #64

What would she do if Israel Nuked Iran ? Israel does have Nukes. bahrbearian Sep 2012 #76

Do you have a quote from her? I don't. The other poster was lying about what she Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #79

I have your quote "she said IF Iran nuked another nation, we'd respond without quarter" bahrbearian Sep 2012 #83

I don't know, dear, I'm not talking about Israel as you want to for some reason Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #91

Ok Cup Cake ,, Hypocrisy is OK? bahrbearian Sep 2012 #94

My only point is that the other poster was making a false statement. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #101

blasphemy! shall we riot and kill innocent people over this? nt msongs Sep 2012 #14

Inciting violence oberliner Sep 2012 #33

IF homosexuals were ignorant bigots than, yes. fun n serious Sep 2012 #61

GLBT activists are aware of the international nature of our struggle. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #67

What do you suggest? fun n serious Sep 2012 #69

Start with specifics. If you condemn 'most' of the anti gay rhetoric, which parts do Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #75

I condemn all anti- gay rhetoric. fun n serious Sep 2012 #80

Ah, so you still refuse to specify which parts of their rhetoric you agree with. Got it. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #92

My silence is loud and specific? fun n serious Sep 2012 #96

So again Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #104

Thats ok by me fun n serious Sep 2012 #109

Hate should never be fueled like this. darkangel218 Sep 2012 #18

Who is flinging the "hate" here? A guy named MAHMOUD, that's who. MADem Sep 2012 #62

In the 30s 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #98

If 'some' get their wish and Iran is attacked, polly7 Sep 2012 #19

Shhh!!!! SaltyBro Sep 2012 #29

No, I'd really appreciate an answer. polly7 Sep 2012 #34

I support those who oppose anti-homosexual bigots oberliner Sep 2012 #49

Of course people are disgusted by any bigoted remarks by any leader, polly7 Sep 2012 #54

Countries should not be invaded just because their leaders are bigots oberliner Sep 2012 #74

The same 'leader' said much of the same stuff last time he came to the UN Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #78

Fail. The Americans pounding the war drum hold the same bigoted, anti- values as the Iranian leader. Viking12 Sep 2012 #171

Many of us weren't born yesterday cpwm17 Sep 2012 #207

The American hawks want to invade Iran because its government persecutes gays? LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #189

Is your answer leftynyc Sep 2012 #39

Iran should not be attacked oberliner Sep 2012 #44

Who is arguing we go to war with Iran to free their gays? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #99

Who is this "some" who is advocating attacking Iran? ButterflyBlood Sep 2012 #187

I watched last night fun n serious Sep 2012 #36

"Frankly most if not all Muslims, Christians and Jews are against Homosexuality" oberliner Sep 2012 #45

Who supports Gays ikl Sep 2012 #51

Yes. fun n serious Sep 2012 #57

Right - but isn't the degree of secularism different in different faiths? oberliner Sep 2012 #73

Hard to know. fun n serious Sep 2012 #82

Yes, I agree oberliner Sep 2012 #88

well I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as an atheist Catholic azurnoir Sep 2012 #131

I have oberliner Sep 2012 #138

well "lapsed and /or recovering" can have a very differnt meaning from atheist azurnoir Sep 2012 #158

Buddhism isn't a religion in a typical sense fujiyama Sep 2012 #204

Buddhism is different in many respects azurnoir Sep 2012 #205

Do they have secular laws? Then they are secular... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #93

You could look at the various referenda in this country. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #151

That's About The Silliest Assertion I Have Ever Seen On DU DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #116

What Rubbish ! King_David Sep 2012 #201

Your point being??? mikki35 Sep 2012 #40

International leaders ought to be condemned for making remarks like this oberliner Sep 2012 #46

This was a televized interview, on CNN with Piers Morgan. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #90

Your point being?????? mikki35 Sep 2012 #190

Anyone Consider oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #41

Yes - and he ought to be rhetorically savaged as brutally as far RW Republicans oberliner Sep 2012 #48

Religious fundamentalists do sound a lot alike even when they hate each other as enemies. pampango Sep 2012 #70

ah yes oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #154

All authoritarian extremists sound like that, regardless of where they are politically slackmaster Sep 2012 #71

Sad to say oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #155

My statement was simply hyperbole slackmaster Sep 2012 #163

Tell me again why right-wing Christen's Pakid Sep 2012 #63

Who is Christen? slackmaster Sep 2012 #68

I used to date Christen, but she didn't seem too political. Throd Sep 2012 #105

The one I dated spelled it Kristin, and she was a Byzantine Catholic slackmaster Sep 2012 #114

Well, he seems to be a rather unpleasant fellow slackmaster Sep 2012 #66

Fuck him. And fuck anyone who defends him. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #72

I'll second that, loudly. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #86

No one is defending him. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #97

He decided to appear on CNN and do an interview oberliner Sep 2012 #115

I don't see how any of that is relevant. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #124

OK oberliner Sep 2012 #136

This. Exactly this. Socal31 Sep 2012 #100

yes indeed things have changed azurnoir Sep 2012 #129

+1 Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #108

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #121

With a telephone pole Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #193

+1 King_David Sep 2012 #195

Does it seem to anyone else he subscribes to the choice paradigm closeupready Sep 2012 #81

I don't know what he really thinks, but he's pandering to the Sin Paradigm slackmaster Sep 2012 #89

Good point. closeupready Sep 2012 #103

I have read that homosexuality is prevalent in Islamic countries, especially among young males. olegramps Sep 2012 #95

Back in the 1980s I had a job with several gay male co-workers who had worked for EDS in Iran... slackmaster Sep 2012 #113

Absolutely! nt fun n serious Sep 2012 #148

"if a group recognizes an ugly behavior or ugly deed as legitimate... Throd Sep 2012 #102

So he holds the same position as most Republicans. Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #107

Yep. Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #110

Fuck Ahmadinejad and fuck all bigots. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #111

I love the Iranian people, can't stand there leadership wutang77 Sep 2012 #118

"Their" not "there" Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #166

Grammar Mullah wutang77 Sep 2012 #170

I prefer grammar czar. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #172

Tell me again why condemning this man's homophobia & bigotry is tantamount to advocating war with... Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #120

Really Bad Manners. elbloggoZY27 Sep 2012 #125

The band who Rocked The Ayatollahs with Pink Floyd, Now Take On Romney With Simon and Garfunkel BVM Sep 2012 #127

He's just like the religious right in the U.S., except he is not constrained by the Consitution. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #128

Any other world leader makes these comments - and the reaction would be condemnation oberliner Sep 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #146

I was baffled by how this thread played out. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #159

Ryan agrees. sarcasmo Sep 2012 #156

you should have a war with Iran all by yourself fascisthunter Sep 2012 #160

I oppose war with Iran oberliner Sep 2012 #161

The government of Iran sucks. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #167

Kind of like Ryan Politicub Sep 2012 #168

*eye roll* sakabatou Sep 2012 #169

Sad. I love weed Sep 2012 #185

Did I somehow miss the bit in this thread that calls for bombing or invading Iran? ButterflyBlood Sep 2012 #186

He's a nasty piece of work fujiyama Sep 2012 #197

Thanks oberliner Sep 2012 #198

If a leader of US/France/Canada/Germany/UK/Japan/ETC said this in an interview, it would octothorpe Sep 2012 #199

sigh Marrah_G Sep 2012 #200