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77. Are any of their leaders being interviewed on CNN this week?

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:11 AM

Sep 2012

If one was and they made a similar comment, I would certainly hope it would be posted here and roundly condemned.

I find this reaction very bizarre.

One would think a world leader making hateful remarks against homosexuals on a major American cable news program would be something that we could all get behind condemning.

Again I do not support anyone turning the people of any other country into "flying hamburger" - this is a position I have repeatedly made clear.

When the president of Iran gives an address to the UN in a widely covered speech and is then interviewed extensively on CNN where he makes bigoted comments about homosexuals (and odd statements about the veracity of the Holocaust) - are these remarks not worth noting and/or condemning?

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran President, Slams Homosexuality As An 'Ugly Behavior' [View all] oberliner Sep 2012 OP

Not surprised JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #1

And that's why this guy shouldn't have a gun . n/t orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #2

Or a bomb! Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #165

Or a pea-shooter !!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #3

I would think no liberal/progressive would like their current leadership oberliner Sep 2012 #4

Human rights are atrocious in alot of other places darkangel218 Sep 2012 #7

Absolutely right oberliner Sep 2012 #8

Ahhh... zellie Sep 2012 #13

You should start a thread about that then, instead of engaging in false comparisons and MADem Sep 2012 #55

after this post be dragons Tunkamerica Sep 2012 #22

So are several other nations' Scootaloo Sep 2012 #35

Homosexuality ikl Sep 2012 #43

Perhaps Oberliner's interest does not extend there--have you ever asked? MADem Sep 2012 #65

He can say whatever he likes. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #152

No winking, no nudging oberliner Sep 2012 #162

You're not terribly good at this. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #173

There's nothing to be "good at" oberliner Sep 2012 #175

Strange on DU to find someone King_David Sep 2012 #191

David, haven't I talked you you about making things up? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #192

Making up things ? King_David Sep 2012 #194

It's not my objective to make you feel inferior Scootaloo Sep 2012 #196

I agree completely cpwm17 Sep 2012 #206

Very easy to accuse. Much more difficult to have an actual discussion. nt MADem Sep 2012 #164

Are any of their leaders being interviewed on CNN this week? oberliner Sep 2012 #77

perhaps the question of why these other leaders are not being interviewed on CNN azurnoir Sep 2012 #126

That is a good question oberliner Sep 2012 #176

The more isolated and threatened the regime, the worse things are for normal people, including gays. leveymg Sep 2012 #84

Or the normal people overthrow their repressive regimes oberliner Sep 2012 #87

The Iranian regime, whatever you may think of it, has a much broader base of support than any leveymg Sep 2012 #117

There's no way of knowing that oberliner Sep 2012 #140

That's been the working consensus for a long time, which is why Hillary didn't push regime change leveymg Sep 2012 #142

Why don't they hold a national referendum to find out? oberliner Sep 2012 #144

ROFL. Same reason the US didn't hold a national referendum in 1955 on adopting Communism. leveymg Sep 2012 #149

When would be a convenient time? oberliner Sep 2012 #177

Some time after the thaw. leveymg Sep 2012 #184

I would like to see that Missycim Sep 2012 #150

Lots of "no chance in Hell" events have happened recently oberliner Sep 2012 #178

Dont get me wrong Missycim Sep 2012 #180

Fair points oberliner Sep 2012 #182

A silly as this sounds, I think only a mass, peaceful Missycim Sep 2012 #183

A national referendum would be like the US changing its constitution Ash_F Sep 2012 #153

The Iranian constitution has only existed since 1979 oberliner Sep 2012 #179

Actually, Iran has changed it's constitution too. Ash_F Sep 2012 #202

Why don't we worry about our OWN human rights record first, Zippy? self-realized sadge Sep 2012 #106

I think it's possible to do both oberliner Sep 2012 #112

I , for sure, don't like his views on LGBT people irisblue Sep 2012 #6

Probably due to some recent posts oberliner Sep 2012 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #10

"He's not concerned so much with the LGBT rights" oberliner Sep 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Sep 2012 #38

Well said--I love the Iranian people, I just don't think much of their unfortunate dictatorship. nt MADem Sep 2012 #59

So critical you constantly post far right-wing spin? Ash_F Sep 2012 #133

"The Ayatollah is appointed by an assembly that is directly voted on." oberliner Sep 2012 #134

I know it is painful to accept Ash_F Sep 2012 #137

The Iranian people did not vote for the Supreme Leader oberliner Sep 2012 #143

First of all, I challenge you to disprove anything in post #133 Ash_F Sep 2012 #147

It's very easily done oberliner Sep 2012 #181

It was a presidential election /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #203

So we should ignore LGBT rights King_David Sep 2012 #53

WTF??? "Imo, preventing another unecessery war is more important than lgbt rights in Iran." MADem Sep 2012 #58

That was an amazing statement. I had to read it three times to make sure I wasn't... Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #141

It stunned me, too. nt MADem Sep 2012 #188

Oberliner posts a lot on the I/P forum; that's why many of his posts relate to Israel LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #135

oberliner is not concerned so much with the LGBT rights? Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #130

both are important thank you. n/t hrmjustin Sep 2012 #132

"Imo, preventing another unecessery war is more important than lgbt rights in Iran" Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #139

I notice the anti-Iran hold has been strong here lately SaltyBro Sep 2012 #11

No zellie Sep 2012 #17

Would you be willing to go to war SaltyBro Sep 2012 #24

Criticism of Iran's government does not equate support for going to war oberliner Sep 2012 #31

I notice that a lot of people can't read contextually at all. MADem Sep 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #20

I think he likes the Drums of War bahrbearian Sep 2012 #26

I am completely opposed to war oberliner Sep 2012 #32

They are not like us. fun n serious Sep 2012 #37

That's the best you have? Don't criticize them because they're not like us? onenote Sep 2012 #42

What? fun n serious Sep 2012 #56

I love Iran, myself--lived there for many years. MADem Sep 2012 #52

I think it's an okay country (landscape/cities) with shitty ass stupid fundie government snooper2 Sep 2012 #85

No one to the left of Attila the Hun likes the Iranian government LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #119

Time for some non hypocrisy zellie Sep 2012 #5

So what is your solution? SaltyBro Sep 2012 #12

Don't have one yet... zellie Sep 2012 #15

So being anti-war is now called "Paulian"? SaltyBro Sep 2012 #16

Good post zellie Sep 2012 #21

How many mad men are in the world? SaltyBro Sep 2012 #23

Great post zellie Sep 2012 #25

Wow. SaltyBro Sep 2012 #27

At least two. JoeyT Sep 2012 #123

What is a 'Paulinian' and to whom are you referring? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #157

you can denounce sabbat hunter Sep 2012 #50

The Past , Like the Drum Beats of War with Iraq ? bahrbearian Sep 2012 #28

Hypocrisy? ikl Sep 2012 #47

That is false, she said IF Iran nuked another nation, we'd respond without quarter. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #64

What would she do if Israel Nuked Iran ? Israel does have Nukes. bahrbearian Sep 2012 #76

Do you have a quote from her? I don't. The other poster was lying about what she Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #79

I have your quote "she said IF Iran nuked another nation, we'd respond without quarter" bahrbearian Sep 2012 #83

I don't know, dear, I'm not talking about Israel as you want to for some reason Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #91

Ok Cup Cake ,, Hypocrisy is OK? bahrbearian Sep 2012 #94

My only point is that the other poster was making a false statement. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #101

blasphemy! shall we riot and kill innocent people over this? nt msongs Sep 2012 #14

Inciting violence oberliner Sep 2012 #33

IF homosexuals were ignorant bigots than, yes. fun n serious Sep 2012 #61

GLBT activists are aware of the international nature of our struggle. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #67

What do you suggest? fun n serious Sep 2012 #69

Start with specifics. If you condemn 'most' of the anti gay rhetoric, which parts do Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #75

I condemn all anti- gay rhetoric. fun n serious Sep 2012 #80

Ah, so you still refuse to specify which parts of their rhetoric you agree with. Got it. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #92

My silence is loud and specific? fun n serious Sep 2012 #96

So again Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #104

Thats ok by me fun n serious Sep 2012 #109

Hate should never be fueled like this. darkangel218 Sep 2012 #18

Who is flinging the "hate" here? A guy named MAHMOUD, that's who. MADem Sep 2012 #62

In the 30s 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #98

If 'some' get their wish and Iran is attacked, polly7 Sep 2012 #19

Shhh!!!! SaltyBro Sep 2012 #29

No, I'd really appreciate an answer. polly7 Sep 2012 #34

I support those who oppose anti-homosexual bigots oberliner Sep 2012 #49

Of course people are disgusted by any bigoted remarks by any leader, polly7 Sep 2012 #54

Countries should not be invaded just because their leaders are bigots oberliner Sep 2012 #74

The same 'leader' said much of the same stuff last time he came to the UN Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #78

Fail. The Americans pounding the war drum hold the same bigoted, anti- values as the Iranian leader. Viking12 Sep 2012 #171

Many of us weren't born yesterday cpwm17 Sep 2012 #207

The American hawks want to invade Iran because its government persecutes gays? LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #189

Is your answer leftynyc Sep 2012 #39

Iran should not be attacked oberliner Sep 2012 #44

Who is arguing we go to war with Iran to free their gays? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #99

Who is this "some" who is advocating attacking Iran? ButterflyBlood Sep 2012 #187

I watched last night fun n serious Sep 2012 #36

"Frankly most if not all Muslims, Christians and Jews are against Homosexuality" oberliner Sep 2012 #45

Who supports Gays ikl Sep 2012 #51

Yes. fun n serious Sep 2012 #57

Right - but isn't the degree of secularism different in different faiths? oberliner Sep 2012 #73

Hard to know. fun n serious Sep 2012 #82

Yes, I agree oberliner Sep 2012 #88

well I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as an atheist Catholic azurnoir Sep 2012 #131

I have oberliner Sep 2012 #138

well "lapsed and /or recovering" can have a very differnt meaning from atheist azurnoir Sep 2012 #158

Buddhism isn't a religion in a typical sense fujiyama Sep 2012 #204

Buddhism is different in many respects azurnoir Sep 2012 #205

Do they have secular laws? Then they are secular... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #93

You could look at the various referenda in this country. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #151

That's About The Silliest Assertion I Have Ever Seen On DU DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #116

What Rubbish ! King_David Sep 2012 #201

Your point being??? mikki35 Sep 2012 #40

International leaders ought to be condemned for making remarks like this oberliner Sep 2012 #46

This was a televized interview, on CNN with Piers Morgan. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #90

Your point being?????? mikki35 Sep 2012 #190

Anyone Consider oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #41

Yes - and he ought to be rhetorically savaged as brutally as far RW Republicans oberliner Sep 2012 #48

Religious fundamentalists do sound a lot alike even when they hate each other as enemies. pampango Sep 2012 #70

ah yes oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #154

All authoritarian extremists sound like that, regardless of where they are politically slackmaster Sep 2012 #71

Sad to say oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #155

My statement was simply hyperbole slackmaster Sep 2012 #163

Tell me again why right-wing Christen's Pakid Sep 2012 #63

Who is Christen? slackmaster Sep 2012 #68

I used to date Christen, but she didn't seem too political. Throd Sep 2012 #105

The one I dated spelled it Kristin, and she was a Byzantine Catholic slackmaster Sep 2012 #114

Well, he seems to be a rather unpleasant fellow slackmaster Sep 2012 #66

Fuck him. And fuck anyone who defends him. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #72

I'll second that, loudly. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #86

No one is defending him. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #97

He decided to appear on CNN and do an interview oberliner Sep 2012 #115

I don't see how any of that is relevant. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #124

OK oberliner Sep 2012 #136

This. Exactly this. Socal31 Sep 2012 #100

yes indeed things have changed azurnoir Sep 2012 #129

+1 Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #108

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #121

With a telephone pole Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #193

+1 King_David Sep 2012 #195

Does it seem to anyone else he subscribes to the choice paradigm closeupready Sep 2012 #81

I don't know what he really thinks, but he's pandering to the Sin Paradigm slackmaster Sep 2012 #89

Good point. closeupready Sep 2012 #103

I have read that homosexuality is prevalent in Islamic countries, especially among young males. olegramps Sep 2012 #95

Back in the 1980s I had a job with several gay male co-workers who had worked for EDS in Iran... slackmaster Sep 2012 #113

Absolutely! nt fun n serious Sep 2012 #148

"if a group recognizes an ugly behavior or ugly deed as legitimate... Throd Sep 2012 #102

So he holds the same position as most Republicans. Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #107

Yep. Dr. Strange Sep 2012 #110

Fuck Ahmadinejad and fuck all bigots. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #111

I love the Iranian people, can't stand there leadership wutang77 Sep 2012 #118

"Their" not "there" Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #166

Grammar Mullah wutang77 Sep 2012 #170

I prefer grammar czar. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #172

Tell me again why condemning this man's homophobia & bigotry is tantamount to advocating war with... Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #120

Really Bad Manners. elbloggoZY27 Sep 2012 #125

The band who Rocked The Ayatollahs with Pink Floyd, Now Take On Romney With Simon and Garfunkel BVM Sep 2012 #127

He's just like the religious right in the U.S., except he is not constrained by the Consitution. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #128

Any other world leader makes these comments - and the reaction would be condemnation oberliner Sep 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #146

I was baffled by how this thread played out. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #159

Ryan agrees. sarcasmo Sep 2012 #156

you should have a war with Iran all by yourself fascisthunter Sep 2012 #160

I oppose war with Iran oberliner Sep 2012 #161

The government of Iran sucks. Pterodactyl Sep 2012 #167

Kind of like Ryan Politicub Sep 2012 #168

*eye roll* sakabatou Sep 2012 #169

Sad. I love weed Sep 2012 #185

Did I somehow miss the bit in this thread that calls for bombing or invading Iran? ButterflyBlood Sep 2012 #186

He's a nasty piece of work fujiyama Sep 2012 #197

Thanks oberliner Sep 2012 #198

If a leader of US/France/Canada/Germany/UK/Japan/ETC said this in an interview, it would octothorpe Sep 2012 #199

sigh Marrah_G Sep 2012 #200