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glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
43. Would I approve of it
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:39 PM
Sep 2012

No, Fuck NO, I would condemn the words and the speaker, but I would approve of the fact that we have to right to utter the hateful words w/o fear of govt. reprisal.
Now if someone utters those words while committing a crime against such person, then it becomes a hate crime with poss. penalty enhancement upon conviction, which I do support.

hypocrisy on every single side - no exceptions. marasinghe Sep 2012 #1
What is the hypocrisy of your side? nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #90
Give me a break Marksman_91 Sep 2012 #2
One man's religion is another man's joke LesserFool Sep 2012 #5
Well stated. I fully agree with your post. Quantess Sep 2012 #14
I have a question about free speech azurnoir Sep 2012 #17
Free speech on the DU? I don't think that is the topic, here. Quantess Sep 2012 #18
well I gave an example you are attempting to make it the subject azurnoir Sep 2012 #35
Hmm... DU has its own ideas about who is okay to offend and who isn't. Quantess Sep 2012 #51
but once again I am not the one attempting to conflate the 2 azurnoir Sep 2012 #52
LOL, what on god's green earth are you even talking about? Quantess Sep 2012 #60
yep and the 'chuckle' is mutual as you edited your comment after I made mine azurnoir Sep 2012 #82
I honestly did not see that you had replied before I made my edit for clarity. Quantess Sep 2012 #94
People are taught to be offended socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #103
I remember that! Ash_F Sep 2012 #20
There is a difference between christx30 Sep 2012 #21
DUers voluntarily quit the offensive speech Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #27
If police were arresting people for typing mAnn Coulter, then that would be a violation of ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #91
yes it is oh so glorious especially when those "the most people" azurnoir Sep 2012 #16
You SO nailed it there. +1000000. closeupready Sep 2012 #55
No I will not give you a break. closeupready Sep 2012 #54
Wow... You got straight to the point, huh Marksman_91 Sep 2012 #99
Good luck with that. Socal31 Sep 2012 #3
As I pointed out in another thread... Speck Tater Sep 2012 #4
We do have a problem here Jessy169 Sep 2012 #6
That is right glacierbay Sep 2012 #9
Your point of view is identical to that of fanatical right-wing hatemongers Jessy169 Sep 2012 #29
My point of view is identical to that of fanatical right-wing hatemongers? glacierbay Sep 2012 #32
Yes, identical Jessy169 Sep 2012 #40
The difference you and I glacierbay Sep 2012 #45
RW Christians would take a Hate Speech law and then MicaelS Sep 2012 #50
Again DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #79
your quote, analyzed DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #83
So, glacierbay Sep 2012 #107
Hmmmmm. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #12
If the Muslim countries were consistent leftynyc Sep 2012 #24
OK, as someone who lives near terry Jones DonCoquixote Sep 2012 #77
The right to criticize the "sacred" is a part of any civilized society Donowitz Sep 2012 #7
Hate speech should not be banned. glacierbay Sep 2012 #25
Hate speech is not a relative matter. Donowitz Sep 2012 #37
U.S. Constitution grants the right to freedom of and from religion. kiranon Sep 2012 #8
No, it "grants" NOTHING. PavePusher Sep 2012 #15
Your reply shows you have a different concept of 'natural' from some others muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #22
The exceptional ability of humans to use language distinguishes us from all other species slackmaster Sep 2012 #26
If one is mute or autistic would they have a right to free speech kiranon Sep 2012 #80
Mute and autistic people do have at least part of normal human capacity to use language slackmaster Sep 2012 #86
So, our rights are allowed to us by government? PavePusher Sep 2012 #33
I would say by society muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #38
But our foundation documents allow government to curtail our rights only through due process of law slackmaster Sep 2012 #87
No, there's nothing there about 'all rights' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #89
It doesn't explicitly say all rights exist except those that have been restricted through due... slackmaster Sep 2012 #93
I'd say it's the difference between an American and a non-American outlook muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #100
So we only have those Rights specifically listed? PavePusher Sep 2012 #96
I think rights can be listed outside a constitution as well as inside it muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #101
So, you don't have the right to get a tattoo unless it's been specifically discussed in public... slackmaster Sep 2012 #104
If there are age restrictions, then it doesn't sound like it's being treated as a natural right muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #105
The age of majority of 18 is the result of a consensus decision by the people slackmaster Sep 2012 #106
It's a fundamental difference of opinion that we can't overcome.. X_Digger Sep 2012 #109
Thanks for the link and the new Latin expression I'd never heard before slackmaster Sep 2012 #110
Explain the 9th Amendment ieoeja Sep 2012 #71
It says there can be other rights muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #81
Actually, it says there ARE other Rights... PavePusher Sep 2012 #98
Rather have my rights written in a document than to kiranon Sep 2012 #78
So, we have only those Rights that have been specifically listed in the Constitution? PavePusher Sep 2012 #95
Have you read the Magna Carta? Here's the first clause and a comment about the rest... slackmaster Sep 2012 #97
considering how much hatred is spewed by the religionists, they have no claims here nt msongs Sep 2012 #10
Good thing it's just the UN, or we might have to give a shit. trouble.smith Sep 2012 #11
Ha! nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #92
Interesting speculation azurnoir Sep 2012 #13
no, free speech whoever it offends. cali Sep 2012 #19
No, it doesn't say anything about Erdogan talking about this in person at the UN muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #23
yes indeed the article did nicely tie Erdogan and Morsy to Ahmadinejad didn't it ? azurnoir Sep 2012 #34
Would I approve of it glacierbay Sep 2012 #43
ummm there already is government reprisal of a sorts against that azurnoir Sep 2012 #47
No thers's not glacierbay Sep 2012 #48
but one can indeed be fined or sued for using hate speech azurnoir Sep 2012 #49
Only if that hate speech results in physical harm glacierbay Sep 2012 #53
really I suggest you rethink that or what would happen if one called a Black co-worker ni""er azurnoir Sep 2012 #58
I said if the words caused physical harm to the victim. glacierbay Sep 2012 #61
your a Police officer? what city? azurnoir Sep 2012 #62
You can sue for just about anything you want glacierbay Sep 2012 #63
well for your own health azurnoir Sep 2012 #65
Why? glacierbay Sep 2012 #66
No I've known people from both cities azurnoir Sep 2012 #74
Ok glacierbay Sep 2012 #85
Definitely minimum suspension, poss. job loss glacierbay Sep 2012 #64
okay I believe you but in the case of Mpls azurnoir Sep 2012 #69
Well I can assure that I'm not like that glacierbay Sep 2012 #70
yes it is and I am aware that not every Police department is like Mpls azurnoir Sep 2012 #72
Re. Hate speech dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #102
well despite the author of this articles gloom concerning Obama azurnoir Sep 2012 #39
Well, if you base censorship on who gets offended, it's bound to be subjective. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #31
indeed it is subjective and based on Western standards too azurnoir Sep 2012 #36
So what exactly is the Muslim standard? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #41
I actually don't know but at this point it seems to surround blasphemy or antiIslam azurnoir Sep 2012 #46
If their standard is the only option, I will pick western standards. hack89 Sep 2012 #56
how high minded of you I will pick my standards over theirs everytime azurnoir Sep 2012 #57
Individual freedom versus the mob - not a hard choice hack89 Sep 2012 #67
who is the 'mob'? azurnoir Sep 2012 #73
Those violent mobs all over the ME hack89 Sep 2012 #76
Yeah, I just think we'd have better luck if we had a better argument. bemildred Sep 2012 #68
Note to religious people, you do not have a right not to be offended. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #28
They're wrong. 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #30
Obama's response at the UN on freedom of speech pampango Sep 2012 #42
Very, very powerful and eloquent glacierbay Sep 2012 #44
Wow .. best speech ever. obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2012 #59
Thank You Sentath Sep 2012 #88
Awesome! nt fun n serious Sep 2012 #75
How about "international curbs" on executing people for being gay? Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #84
Bull Shit! M_M Sep 2012 #108
Freedom of speech is the fundamental human right Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #111
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